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  • mcs
    Travelling Swannie!!
    • Jul 2007
    • 8177

    #46
    Originally posted by dimelb
    True, it's not ideal, but it's a better choice than using LRT in the ruck.
    And I like GS's notion about Perris, going purely on reports and not having seen him, but if he is as exceptional as we are led to believe, we could use him.
    Perris is a very talented player, but from what I've seen in my random meanderings of NEAFL on and off last year, he still looks a bit off a debut in the top level, let alone making a big impact. It will come with time though I think.
    "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      #47
      Originally posted by aguy
      So what is your suggestion about the ruck instead of LRT. Who would you put in as a second ruck man
      I would grit my teeth and pick Dertitrickx. I know he hasn't impressed people yet, but he is big and experienced. His profile says (in typical Swans fashion) that the coaches aren't expecting great things from him and that they simply want him to play a role. That role would be providing some sort of real contest in the ruck, which I think is beyond LRT now, as well as supporting MikePyke and occasionally releasing him forward, where we know he can do a lot of damage.
      Nankervis looks a good prospect, as does Naismith, but they are both quite young, especially in ruckman terms, and we need to keep nurturing/pushing them along a graded path of development. I don't think there is anything to be gained by putting them into the firsts at this stage, but I'd like to see them given a taste later in the season if warranted, or early next season.
      As for Perris, I defer to those who have seen him, and maybe Brandon Jack could be given some more firsts game time. I like what I've heard from others about Perris and perhaps he too might get a bit of a taste this season as we (I hope) rotate our mids so they're ready at the business end of the year.
      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • aguy
        Senior Player
        • Mar 2014
        • 1324

        #48
        I don't know. It could actually quite interesting to see Naismith against Brodie Grundy. Both young and big

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        • Jewels
          On the Rookie List
          • Oct 2006
          • 3258

          #49
          Originally posted by aguy
          I don't know. It could actually quite interesting to see Naismith against Brodie Grundy. Both young and big
          Sorry but you must be joking, have you seen Grundy play? He is amazing!
          I like the look of Naismith but he is miles behind Grundy in ability atm.

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          • aguy
            Senior Player
            • Mar 2014
            • 1324

            #50
            Originally posted by Jewels
            Sorry but you must be joking, have you seen Grundy play? He is amazing!
            I like the look of Naismith but he is miles behind Grundy in ability atm.
            Yes I agree Grundy is very very good. Clearly well ahead of Naismith. But he was also a bit of a gamble that paid off for Buckley when he first played him. You just never know that's all. We clearly gotta give pyke some backup and choices are Derickx which is a temporising measure or a rapid learning curve that could pay off later with Naismith. That's all I mean

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              #51
              Originally posted by Jewels
              Sorry but you must be joking, have you seen Grundy play? He is amazing!
              I like the look of Naismith but he is miles behind Grundy in ability atm.
              Grundy is amazing. A basketballer who within three years of turning to Australian Rules was good enough to keep Jolly out of the team. Let's hope Pat Mitchell can pick up footy skills just as quickly.

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              • satchmopugdog
                Bandicoots ears
                • Apr 2004
                • 3691

                #52
                Put in the Tasmanian...my catch cry for the rest of the season and possibly the next one...great set of hands



                I actually know he's not ready but I'll still keep saying it.
                "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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                • aguy
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 1324

                  #53
                  Originally posted by satchmopugdog
                  Put in the Tasmanian...my catch cry for the rest of the season and possibly the next one...great set of hands
                  Nankervis you mean ?

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                  • Reggi
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 2718

                    #54
                    Not playing Derickx rnd 1 a big mistake. Should not make it again
                    You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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                    • aguy
                      Senior Player
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 1324

                      #55
                      Yes the more I've thought about the first game the more I've come to the conclusion that the biggest difference between us was the ruck. Pyke has been used to sharing ruck with Mumford. By the time the second half came pyke was exhausted and we lost so many clearances and contested ball. We need to play a second proper ruck to share it with pyke. Only debate in my mind is who

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                      • Matimbo
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 334

                        #56
                        I agree re needing the second ruckman. I think it has to be Tom D until KT is fit. The harder question for me is who drops out for Tom D? LRT - I really want him in our backline; Laidler - I want him to get gametime at this stage of the season; Cunningham - not even close to a like-for-like swap, changes our balance.
                        CIA Agent to Policeman: "Have you ever had anti-terrorist training?"
                        Policeman: "Yes, I was married once."

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                        • aguy
                          Senior Player
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 1324

                          #57
                          Yes need a second ruck. Prob Derickx but I'm honestly curious about Naismith. I think sadly it will be LRT sacrificed. I think laidler needs to stay. I'd also keep ROK in because we need the balance and wise head. That leaves Keiren jack to come back in with Cunningham out for now.

                          Later when Kurt tippet comes back I still think id keep the second ruck in and push Reid back to take laidlers place.

                          Other big question is who goes when goodes returns
                          Last edited by aguy; 22 March 2014, 04:05 PM. Reason: Submitted without finishing

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            #58
                            With AJ out for the season its imperative that Laidler plays as long as his form holds up. Better to hold LRT in reserve if we play a 2nd Ruckman. I am no so sure that it makes that much of a difference whether we play LRT or Derickx, they would end up playing the same role anyway. I prefer LRT because of his versatility.

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                            • aguy
                              Senior Player
                              • Mar 2014
                              • 1324

                              #59
                              Just not so sure LRT is up to the 2nd ruck job as much as I like him

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                              • The Big Cat
                                On the veteran's list
                                • Apr 2006
                                • 2360

                                #60
                                Originally posted by aguy
                                Just not so sure LRT is up to the 2nd ruck job as much as I like him
                                Who is Collingwood's second ruckman?
                                Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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