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  • The Big Cat
    On the veteran's list
    • Apr 2006
    • 2360

    The Rumour Mill - does it feed itself?

    A problem at the Swans? Is it just me, or are journos basing their reports solely on what other journos are reporting which are based on what other journos are reporting? Have not heard one piece of hard evidence, yet. ROK not picked + a loss to GWS = problems within the team? "Where there's smoke there's fire," they say. Can somebody tell where there is smoke except in the Journos eyes for being kept in the dark for 12 months and made to look like fools when the Swans-Franklin deal was made public.

    Let's look at the facts as best we know them

    1. Hannebery borrowed Franklin's car and had a crash. (Club says no alcohol or drugs involved and the car is insured). Russell Barwich then says "We don't know if he was breath tested or not." (Presumably he doesn't understand the connection between no alcohol and breath testing)
    2. There have been no stories in the paper (to my knowledge) of Buddy or Hannebery misbehaving. (And the press would be looking more closely for one than the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane!)
    3. ROK was not selected. The coach gave an explanation for his non-selection. The club was then forced to come out and strenuously deny a supposed punch-up between ROK and Franklin at training which would have been reported in every newspaper in the land had such a punch-up been witnessed. And do people really believe that if ROK was being disciplined he would have been made an emergency and then later brought into the side, particularly against a team most people (and obviously the Swans) thought would be easy beats?
    4. The players went out of their way to mob Franklin when he kicked his first goal and when he ran down the GWS bloke just prior to half time. No sign of resentment there.
    5. If Hannebery was in the gun surely he would have been the one to have served some sort of penance.
    6. Russell Barwick seems to be quoting sources inside the GWS. Has he got an axe to grind with the Swans?

    I live a long way from Sydney. Can anybody up in Harbour town tell me if this media frenzy down here in Victoria is based on anything but the oversupply of footy writers trying to create a story. Had the Swans won by 10 goals would we be discussing this?
    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.
  • erica
    Happy and I know it
    • Jan 2008
    • 1247

    #2
    Jealousy that Franklin chose to leave Melbourne and live in Sydney. The belief that if you say something often enough, people will believe you (the John Howard principle). The need to fill newspapers every day. If there isn't a story, make it up.

    The AFL media department is just as bad. They beat-up stories every day and dn't like it when you call them out about it on Twitter.
    All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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    • Panttz
      Warming the Bench
      • May 2011
      • 231

      #3
      Woah woah woah.

      Can you please stop making so much sense please Big Cat?
      All I heard on SEN this afternoon was nonsense about Hanners and not once (as you said) did they mention anything concrete as to why there were issues at the Swans.

      I think you have nailed it on the head mate, good work!

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6483

        #4
        Tippett for FREE = the start of the ripple

        Tippett for Free + Buddy = Tsunami !!!!!
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Reggi
          On the Rookie List
          • Jan 2003
          • 2718

          #5
          I think we have done nothing as a team this year to dispell these rumours therefore they get traction. Rok getting dropped and losing to GWS are difficult to explain, even a rational person would have to think something is wrong.

          They will onlybstp when we are playing well and winning. Including hanners
          You don't ban those who supported your opponent, you make them wallow in their loserdom by covering your victory! You sit them in the front row. You give them a hat! Toby Ziegler

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          • Matt80
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2013
            • 1802

            #6
            Originally posted by erica
            Jealousy that Franklin chose to leave Melbourne and live in Sydney. The belief that if you say something often enough, people will believe you (the John Howard principle). The need to fill newspapers every day. If there isn't a story, make it up.

            The AFL media department is just as bad. They beat-up stories every day and dn't like it when you call them out about it on Twitter.
            You can't single out John Howard for (if you say something offer enough, people will believe you). It's a time honoured communication tactic used by all sides of the political spectrum!

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            • The Big Cat
              On the veteran's list
              • Apr 2006
              • 2360

              #7
              Originally posted by Reggi
              I think we have done nothing as a team this year to dispell these rumours therefore they get traction. Rok getting dropped and losing to GWS are difficult to explain, even a rational person would have to think something is wrong.

              They will onlybstp when we are playing well and winning. Including hanners
              Hold on a minute. You are confusing "rational person" with "conspiracy theorist". Some people are quoting two totally unrelated events as symptoms of a situation which has been invented to justify using these events as symptoms of something. Occam's razor theory says the explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is usually the right one. In this case the simplest explanation is that ROK's form was below the others who were competing for spots, and that GWS played better that us on the night.

              The journo's can't have it both ways (although they try) - They claim the Swans are in disarray because they were beaten by GWS, and at the same time GWS is becoming an irresistible megaforce because they beat the Swans!
              Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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              • erica
                Happy and I know it
                • Jan 2008
                • 1247

                #8
                Yes, I can single him out - I just did. Gotcha! It's an example of if you say something often enough, people will believe you.
                All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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                • crackedactor
                  Regular in the Side
                  • May 2012
                  • 919

                  #9
                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  Hold on a minute. You are confusing "rational person" with "conspiracy theorist". Some people are quoting two totally unrelated events as symptoms of a situation which has been invented to justify using these events as symptoms of something. Occam's razor theory says the explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is usually the right one. In this case the simplest explanation is that ROK's form was below the others who were competing for spots, and that GWS played better that us on the night.

                  The journo's can't have it both ways (although they try) - They claim the Swans are in disarray because they were beaten by GWS, and at the same time GWS is becoming an irresistible megaforce because they beat the Swans!
                  I believe they call it tall poppy syndrome. Cut down the golden team. Just to add to the rumour mill I heard ROK's training was not up to scratch before round one and this week he has run extra laps after training. Next match will tell the truth.

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                  • Matt80
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 1802

                    #10
                    Originally posted by erica
                    Yes, I can single him out - I just did. Gotcha! It's an example of if you say something often enough, people will believe you.
                    Agreed Erica! When Tony Abbott started calling Bill Shorten "Electricity Bill Shorten" everyone in the suburb believed that Bill Shorten was so amazing because he brought electricity to the whole suburb!' The key to that belief was Tony Abbott saying it enough times!

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                    • jono2707
                      Goes up to 11
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3326

                      #11
                      Correct me if I'm wrong but I think all of these rumours have come out of Melbourne and the reports are designed to pander to the surge in anti-Swans sentiment that seems to be pretty common at the moment???

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                      • Ludwig
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 9359

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jono2707
                        Correct me if I'm wrong but I think all of these rumours have come out of Melbourne and the reports are designed to pander to the surge in anti-Swans sentiment that seems to be pretty common at the moment???
                        The Sydney journo Rebecca Wilson has been reporting problems in paradise as well, particularly the Hanners-Buddy connection, but without giving much detail. She says she knows there's trouble.

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          #13
                          One thing is for sure. The club, the players and the fans are not used to this sort of critique and the pressure is certainly on everyone to show this it's really not so.

                          The only way to shut up the critics and the rumour mill is on the field. Normally there wouldn't be this much pressure to perform, but I feel now that the Swans have to go out and string 7 good wins together (or at least 6 or the next 7) and show that all is okay and we are ready to challenge for the big one. Buddy is just going to have to stand up and perform. Else the pressure will build to unbelievable proportions before the round 8 match against the Hawks.

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                          • Melbourne_Blood
                            Senior Player
                            • May 2010
                            • 3312

                            #14
                            This is a by product of Buddy, where there's Buddy there's innuendo and rumours. He is the smoke. He always has been. Nothing can be done about it , it won't change. Club would have known this would happen, and chose to sign him anyway. If there's one club you would think are strong enough to brush off outside speculation , it would be the swans. On the same token, it isn't something most of the players would be used to. Only way to shut it up a bit is to let our footy do the talking.

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                            • erica
                              Happy and I know it
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1247

                              #15
                              They obviously don't have anything better to do at the Murdoch press: No Cookies | Herald Sun

                              What a ridiculous beat-up story.

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                              This one's more observant: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lance-franklin-already-grabbing-worrying-headlines-for-the-sydney-swans-20140320-hvkqx.html
                              All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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