James Frawley

[aardvark]

Why are we discussing soccer on a James Frawley thread? Did he play for Manchester at some stage?

[Matt80]

Freo also need KPPs. WCE are in somewhat better shape.

If Jetta wanted to go we could possibly package up some combo of the 3 West Australians, Jetta, Marsh and Lockyer for the their 1st round pick, which would be around a pick 7 I would think. That should land us a pretty decent KPP in this draft. Jetta loves Subiaco. But I'm not suggesting that we should initiate such a trade. Jetta has a couple of kids. I don't know if his partner is from WA or not. Hard to say if there's any desire to go back home.

It would be a good deal if we could get it however Marsh and Lockyear have not looked close to playing a senior game. It all depends on Jetta!

[liz]

We did get a second round for Buchanan. I was surprised that the Lions were so generous. Jolly wanted to go home and we got Jetta out of that. If some of the current players want to leave then we must get a good deal for ourselves. We should also move on players who look like they are waiting to use free agency.

Paul Roos was very proactive in turning over the list after the 2006 Grand Final appearance with a view to building another good side. Jude Bolton was even put up for sale. Roos was most successful in the 2009 trade period where we got Mumford, McGlynn, Kennedy, Reid, Rohan, Jetta. The only downside was Seaby but he did provide some service in a couple of games.

We did not get a second rounder for Buchanan any more than we gave up pick 22 for Seaby. We got Seaby for a downgrade of pick 22 to pick 28 (I think it was - it was then used for Mummy) and Buchanan. I think we got a later pick thrown in too.

I am not sure the club was "very proactive" after the 2006 GF in turning over the list. Schneider and Dempster were squeezed out by salary cap pressures (and the desire to get Marty M). In 2009 a few things came together - Hall's departure and the contracted Jolly wishing to leave - which forced the club's hand a bit. To be fair to them, once they found themselves in this situation, they were pretty aggressive and decisive, not pussy-footing around to secure Mumford, identifying the undervalued Kennedy (and, to a lesser extent, Benny Mc), and holding firm on the Jolly trade to get a 3rd rounder as well as pick 14. It was also quite unSwans-like, having secured two first round picks, to use both of them on speedy x-factor players rather than using at least one on the more solid, plodding type that had tended to be associated with the Swans and our style of play.

[mcs]

Freo also need KPPs. WCE are in somewhat better shape.

If Jetta wanted to go we could possibly package up some combo of the 3 West Australians, Jetta, Marsh and Lockyer for the their 1st round pick, which would be around a pick 7 I would think. That should land us a pretty decent KPP in this draft. Jetta loves Subiaco. But I'm not suggesting that we should initiate such a trade. Jetta has a couple of kids. I don't know if his partner is from WA or not. Hard to say if there's any desire to go back home.

Marsh and Lockyer have no trade value at this stage surely, given neither has a senior game under their belt. If you can't get a 1st rd pick for Jetta (unlikely), I don't think adding them to it would make any difference.

[Ludwig]

I thought Jetta would be worth a late 1st round pick, roughly where we picked him up. He's a very damaging player when he's on. It's hard to say what the value of Lockyer or Marsh would be. It's not much, but it should be more than nothing. Someone like Lockyer would likely have gotten a run in the seniors on a lot so teams, including the Eagles.

[barry]

Yeah, id rate jetta a first round pick.

I wouldnt trade him for a first rounder.

[Melbournehammer]

We did not get a second rounder for Buchanan any more than we gave up pick 22 for Seaby. We got Seaby for a downgrade of pick 22 to pick 28 (I think it was - it was then used for Mummy) and Buchanan. I think we got a later pick thrown in too.

I am not sure the club was "very proactive" after the 2006 GF in turning over the list. Schneider and Dempster were squeezed out by salary cap pressures (and the desire to get Marty M). In 2009 a few things came together - Hall's departure and the contracted Jolly wishing to leave - which forced the club's hand a bit. To be fair to them, once they found themselves in this situation, they were pretty aggressive and decisive, not pussy-footing around to secure Mumford, identifying the undervalued Kennedy (and, to a lesser extent, Benny Mc), and holding firm on the Jolly trade to get a 3rd rounder as well as pick 14. It was also quite unSwans-like, having secured two first round picks, to use both of them on speedy x-factor players rather than using at least one on the more solid, plodding type that had tended to be associated with the Swans and our style of play.

I don't think it was that surprising though - it was pretty obvious by 2009 that the game style had changed to a faster type of football and we had a lot of insiders who held onto the ball at stoppages and got pinged for it. We were desperate for outside run as fosdyke left and the game plan which had involved running the ball out from the back was getting picked off by the hawthorn cluster, and st kinda and collingwood frontal pressure and gee longs manic run and hand pass style.

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Yeah, id rate jetta a first round pick.

I wouldnt trade him for a first rounder.

Man we must drastically underrate our players. There is no way in the world that jetta is anything other than a high first round pick. He is the best or maybe second best outside midfielder on our list - the list with the best midfield in the league. At the western bulldogs he would be exactly what they need given their surplus of inside midfielders. If Dom Tyson plus pick nine is worth pick 2 I am sorry jetta is worth a top five pick.

And I wouldn't trade him unless he has expressed a definite desire to go.

[Ludwig]

And I wouldn't trade him unless he has expressed a definite desire to go.

I think that was the supposition. And there's a bit of a discount if a player wants to leave due to a go home factor. If given the choice of a Jetta or a pick 8, for instance, I'd take Jetta.

[Faunac8]

Jetta has the potential to possibly play ten more years for us and is becoming a well rounded and classy player who is working very hard this year. I can see him in a forward pocket kicking thirty goals plus a year at the back end of his career. We have put a lot of effort into his development and anyone who thinks we should " package him " to get a draft pick is really not looking at the bigger picture. Give me a proven performer over an early draft pick any day especially given the way we are set up with our academy and f/s picks over the next couple of years. The only circumstances where we should even consider any deal is if he expressly wants to leave us.

[jono2707]

This talk of sending Jetts back to WA is just out and out rubbish. Is there any basis whatsoever for this talk? We are developing him into an even better footballer and from another thread, we pretty much all agree that he's still a work in progress adding more strings to his already formidable bow. Until anything remotely resembling a request to return to WA comes directly from his mouth I wouldn't think to entertain any speculation such as this.

RWO seems to be overly-infused with this sort of baseless speculation lately.......

[Matt80]

Jetta has the potential to possibly play ten more years for us and is becoming a well rounded and classy player who is working very hard this year. I can see him in a forward pocket kicking thirty goals plus a year at the back end of his career. We have put a lot of effort into his development and anyone who thinks we should " package him " to get a draft pick is really not looking at the bigger picture. Give me a proven performer over an early draft pick any day especially given the way we are set up with our academy and f/s picks over the next couple of years. The only circumstances where we should even consider any deal is if he expressly wants to leave us.

I think if Jetta wanted to go home to WA, then Fremantle would be the most likely destination. This would particularly be the case if Fremantle did not win the flag this year. Jetta would be seen as the missing piece of the puzzle and would combine with Daniel Pearce to give the formidable outside run to support that army of tall strong inside midfielders.

Fremantle would also be very desperate to secure the flag in 2015 as Sandilands, Pavlich and Mcpharlin are almost at the end. They would give up perhaps pick 17 or 18 for Jetta. Ross Lyon will go all out at one last generational shot at the flag if Fremantle don't get it this year. It was the same with his time at St Kilda.

[Faunac8]

Pick 17 or 18 for Jetta ? Surely you jest Matt? Why do you want to see potential guns like Jetta and Mitchell traded away ?

[Faunac8]

Also home is where the heart is and who's to say his heart is not now in Sydney at least until his career is over ?

[goswannies]

Pick 17 or 18 for Jetta ? Surely you jest Matt? Why do you want to see potential guns like Jetta and Mitchell traded away ?

While I mostly disagree with a lot of the trade stuff Matt80 vomits up in these forums, in his defence in this instance, I think he's said if Jetta wants to return to WA for personal reasons. I don't think Matt80 has proposed we should trade Jetta just to get picks. But the Swans have historically tried to help players return home if that's where they want to go & can't be convinced of the merits of staying (RO'K being an exception, but they did try there too).

[Faunac8]

While I mostly disagree with a lot of the trade stuff Matt80 vomits up in these forums, in his defence in this instance, I think he's said if Jetta wants to return to WA for personal reasons. I don't think Matt80 has proposed we should trade Jetta just to get picks.

Well of course and IF Patrick Dangerfield wants to leave Adelaide what could we offer in the way of picks? The fact is Jetta is under contract and appears happy in Sydney .
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