Carlton looking to sign Tom Mitchell

[Melbournehammer]

Really? Poorly played?

OK lets just indulge Matt for a bit here and look at how ridiculous his supposed Dream trade is.

If Sydney are trading Mitchell, we would expect a 1st Rounder. On his own he is worth Pick 5. Clubs would take a proven classy midfielder that gets his own ball ahead of an untried raw boned 18 yo from the U18s competition. (look how many first rounders we have wasted on such players).
If Malceski is on his way out the door. Why throw him in as steak knives. We could get a 2nd round compensation pick for him, based on the free agency compensation rules in relation to the worth of a player.
Heeney will be elevated from the Rookie list in the next trade period. Why would we give him up. We are giving away part of our future.

But no Matt says bundle all 3 up together to give to Melbourne because Roosy is shrewd. If we were offering up such a deal in exchange for Pick 5, we'd have a multitude of clubs lining up to do the deal.

Unlike the Bulldogs, we don't need to take risks to get our list in good order so why throw out part of our future to get pick 5, when who's to say that pick 5 will be any better than the whatever our first pick in the first round of the draft will be. Oh, and "The Darcy deal" is hardly risk taking and will never get done. Why. Griffin may be the Dogs Skipper, but is currently in his 10th season, is under an injury cloud at the moment, and has probably got another 2, at best 3 seasons left in him. Any one of GWS's tall forwards have got probably 10 more seasons in them, and the Giants are attempting to do what we are doing, and that is have a multi pronged forward line. Why would they give up one of their tall forwards for Griffen and jeopardise the chance to have such a forward line. Makes no sense, and not really a risk for the Dogs. Typical of a so called media expert thinking that GWS is full of idiots who have no idea about trading, and would agree to such a deal.

Yeah probably poorly played as you say, but I find that stupidity is related to bigotry. If you don't call it out early it runs rampant over the internet.

actually we did a deal pretty similar to this - wayne schwass for shannon grant. i think the roos got the better deal but schwass was pretty good for us for the 3-4 seasons he played. i can see griffin also being very good.

in any case there is NO way Mitchell is worth 5 on his own. he could be a great player. but there is too many risks with him to make him that - I sincerely doubt he would have been pick 5 in his own draft. he may be rated 5 by us but i doubt any other club would see him as such.

I wouldn't go for matt's deal because perris and mitchell have a great deal of value for us and probably more for us than for others. but its far from a terrible decision. if mal was going anyway and mitchell likely to pick 5 for mal and mitchell is a lot better than 10-15 and 30

[Dosser]

Come on guys. Sydney has always been the bogey team for the south. Don't you remember each time someone had a contract negotiation coming up their management released info that Sydney is interested (looking at you, Aker)? It is the same old same old. There are always rumours and rumours of rumours but 9 times out of 10 the player re-signs with his original club. Mitchell will be the same.

In addition, I think if we are forced to do any trading at all, it will be for players, not picks, as I think picks would impact our position with Heeney.

[Reggi]

actually we did a deal pretty similar to this - wayne schwass for shannon grant. i think the roos got the better deal but schwass was pretty good for us for the 3-4 seasons he played. i can see griffin also being very good.

in any case there is NO way Mitchell is worth 5 on his own. he could be a great player. but there is too many risks with him to make him that - I sincerely doubt he would have been pick 5 in his own draft. he may be rated 5 by us but i doubt any other club would see him as such.

I wouldn't go for matt's deal because perris and mitchell have a great deal of value for us and probably more for us than for others. but its far from a terrible decision. if mal was going anyway and mitchell likely to pick 5 for mal and mitchell is a lot better than 10-15 and 30

GWS said he would have been the best player in 2012 draft. He would be in best 5 in any draft. Some people have a perception his is slow.

Either way no chance he would get traded

[Ludwig]

If there are no injury concerns, Mitchell would definitely be worth a pick 5. If given the choice between a top 5 midfielder in this year's draft (like Angus Brayshaw) or Tom Mitchell, I think Mitchell would be the choice. Tom has already proven that he can play footy at a high level and rack up possessions with the best. And I am sure that if he can put his injuries behind him he will have a stellar career.

[Nico]

They have the wrong Mitchell. My mail is Carlton want Barry Mitchell to join their coaching squad.

[Melbournehammer]

GWS said he would have been the best player in 2012 draft. He would be in best 5 in any draft. Some people have a perception his is slow.

Either way no chance he would get traded

As Mandy rice Davies said, well they would say that wouldn't they. That doesn't make it remotely true. And he is slow. That won't stop him being a gun, but he isn't blessed with pace. If you want a look at the shape his career could go look at McLean from Carlton. Equally it could go Greg Williams. That is the sort of player he is.

But best five in any draft. Simply not true. His potential is yet unfulfilled, and maybe that is because since half way through his draft season he has been more or less continuously injured. And for that reason there are enough knocks on him.

Anyway based on mail putting contract talks on hold I'd say he is off so the question is what can be got for him

[Flying South]

If there are no injury concerns, Mitchell would definitely be worth a pick 5. If given the choice between a top 5 midfielder in this year's draft (like Angus Brayshaw) or Tom Mitchell, I think Mitchell would be the choice. Tom has already proven that he can play footy at a high level and rack up possessions with the best. And I am sure that if he can put his injuries behind him he will have a stellar career.

Agree and can kick a goal too. And behinds. But at least he is getting the ball and usually in congested high pressure situations. I don't know where the slow tag comes from. He's quick enough. Maybe it's because he doesn't have 'electrifying pace' that some deem essential.

[The Big Cat]

They have the wrong Mitchell. My mail is Carlton want Barry Mitchell to join their coaching squad.

No it is Patrick Mitchell! Their scouts tell Carlton he is the next Jake Oreal!

[Jewels]

As Mandy rice Davies said, well they would say that wouldn't they. That doesn't make it remotely true. And he is slow. That won't stop him being a gun, but he isn't blessed with pace. If you want a look at the shape his career could go look at McLean from Carlton. Equally it could go Greg Williams. That is the sort of player he is.

But best five in any draft. Simply not true. His potential is yet unfulfilled, and maybe that is because since half way through his draft season he has been more or less continuously injured. And for that reason there are enough knocks on him.

Anyway based on mail putting contract talks on hold I'd say he is off so the question is what can be got for him

I think you have your wires crossed, Mal is the one who has put contract talks on hold, Mitchell is contracted to the end of 2016.

[Melbournehammer]

I think you have your wires crossed, Mal is the one who has put contract talks on hold, Mitchell is contracted to the end of 2016.

Actually it was the autocorrect. I knew it was mal. The earlier discussion was whether you trade mal and Mitchell as a package

[wolftone57]

Hmmm Herald Sun.- News Ltd
Talking Footy-Produced by McGuire Media

Can't people see whats happening here. This is how they will attack our success. By attempting to destabilise us. Eddie thinks it worked with Travis Cloke, so lets destabilise the Swans by putting @@@@ out there about players wanting to leave and us paying over the odds for a hack like James Frawley. Only one problem with it. Herald Sun isn't read in Sydney, and Talking Footy is not shown at all in Sydney.

Good one Eddie.

I must say its almost getting laughable, whenever anyone from Hawthorn or Collingwood is on media street, they never fail to bring up either COLA, Academies, recruiting Tippett etc. Its almost like Tony Abbott, "stop the boats". Clarko last night on "On the Couch" had a very uneducated ping at the academies. Morons the lot of them.

Talking Footy is shown in Sydney at midnight and you can get it on YouTube about 2 days later. The Herald Sun is not in Sydney but it's sister paper the Telegraph is. The AFL articles from the Herald Sun if they involve Sydney will be printed in the Tele.

[Doctor J.]

LMHO. You are kidding me. Since you brought it up, the definition of a bigot is, ?a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief or opinion?. Seems you have an intolerance to someone else?s opinion. Make of that what you want. Labelling someone stupid is bordering on bullying and should not be tolerated in an RWO forum. So yes poorly played and getting worse.

Excuse me.

Point out to me exactly where I have labelled Matt80 as stupid.

I have said his suggested trade is stupid (no actually i think I changed his quote from "fantasy deal" to "@@@@ing idiot recruiters deal"), and ridiculous. I even offered my opinion as to why in terms of our list needs and relative player worth in such a trade. I did NOT label Matt80 as stupid, you've made that leap all of your own, well done.

You seem to have a problem with me expressing an opinion in relation to a another posters suggested trade, and apparently I'm a bully.

That head you just laughed off, suggest you put it back on, it may come in helpful for the next time you post.

[ShockOfHair]

They have the wrong Mitchell. My mail is Carlton want Barry Mitchell to join their coaching squad.

If he's not available I'm sure Lingie would love to share the coaches' box with Mick.

[joemoore12]

A rubbish article. Simple as that.

Tom is signed until 2016.

He has been injured for the majority of the season. That is why he hasn't been playing.

The Swans will NOT consider trading him.

His manager and his dad both seem pretty happy with his current arrangements.

Pure speculative journalism once again, straight from the masters of football propaganda....The Herald Sun. Bravo.

[ugg]

Watch the speculation heat up now that he's been ruled out of the reserves this week