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  • Gezball
    Warming the Bench
    • Mar 2010
    • 244

    Re Rose, you don't necessarily need to be tall to be a good making forward. Take Jamie Elliot from Collingwood for example. If you've got a good leap you can overcome your lack of height.

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6483

      the only surprise for me was that we didnt look seriously reece mckenzie at 196cm and 2.87 seconds on the 20m sprint and he went in the pick 70s...........Draft prospect: Reece McKenzie - AFL.com.au

      i certainly thought with that speed build he could have been a KP defensive project

      Draft prospect: Reece McKenzie - AFL.com.au

      from memory his father Warren McKenzie played a couple seasons for us also???
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • Doctor
        Bay 29
        • Sep 2003
        • 2757

        His nickname should clearly be Axl.
        Today's a draft of your epitaph

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        • dimelb
          pr. dim-melb; m not f
          • Jun 2003
          • 6889

          Originally posted by Doctor
          His nickname should clearly be Axl.
          I hear it shortened to "ax" - I like it.
          He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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          • Auntie.Gerald
            Veterans List
            • Oct 2009
            • 6483

            as long as you dont change the name of the SCG to "the snakepit"
            "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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            • Ruck'n'Roll
              Ego alta, ergo ictus
              • Nov 2003
              • 3990

              In this draft we saw the Academy yielding 4 selections (in bold) - while Heeney was always going to be a high pick and perform accordingly, none of the others set the world on fire. But perhaps their selection raised encouraged other academy kid to strive harder. We took
              #18 Isaac Heeney
              #37 James Rose
              #38 Jack Hiscox
              #70 Abaina Davis
              Then
              #17 Sean McLaren
              #35 Nic Newman
              #52 Lewis Melican
              #76 Jordan Foote
              There were a moderate number of alternatives available, rather than Rose and/or Hiscox we could have taken Bailey Dale, Caleb Daniel, Mitch McGovern or Ed Langdon who all went after than in the main draft. Or we could have taken Kane Lambert, Jason Castagna, Jayden Short, Adam Saad or Reilly O'Brien, who all had to wait for the Rookie draft.

              Saad was probably the player we could most have used, as he provides tremendous run out of defence, but subsequent history suggests he may have been a serious flight risk.
              Reilly O’Brien could have been useful but at the time we two promising young rucks in Nankervis and Naismith.
              Caleb Daniel’s wonderfully accurate disposal would have fitted in too, but perhaps we might have been concerned at his lack of height.
              And Ed Langdon would have provided some of the run we are still trying to stockpile.

              So yes, there were other picks we could have taken, but did we leave anyone truly transformative on the table? I don’t think so, so maybe a B (or C if you’re marking hard)

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              • Ludwig
                Veterans List
                • Apr 2007
                • 9359

                Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                There were a moderate number of alternatives available, rather than Rose and/or Hiscox we could have taken Bailey Dale, Caleb Daniel, Mitch McGovern or Ed Langdon who all went after than in the main draft. Or we could have taken Kane Lambert, Jason Castagna, Jayden Short, Adam Saad or Reilly O'Brien, who all had to wait for the Rookie draft.
                Interestingly, we were linked to Bailey Dale by many draft experts. He was such skinny kid and didn't look anything like a footballer, but turned into quite a good one. Made the AA team as a HBF, a position we were looking to draft this year.

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                • Aprilbr
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 1803

                  Yes, hardly a stellar draft for us saved by picking up Heeney for just number 18. With the rules in place now, he would most likely gone top 10 with us needing to match a bid from elsewhere. The rules were changed after this because the other clubs argued that we got him too cheap.

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                  • Ruck'n'Roll
                    Ego alta, ergo ictus
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 3990

                    It's also interesting to look at the standout testng results

                    Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                    2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

                    3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
                    Jack Hiscox 9:18
                    Tom Lamb 9:45
                    Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
                    Billy Stretch 9:57
                    Nathan Drummond 9:59
                    Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
                    Daniel McKenzie 10:07
                    Connor Menadue 10:07
                    Liam Duggan 10:11
                    Jack Steele 10:11

                    Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

                    Beep test/shuttle run (level)
                    Caleb Daniel 16.1
                    Jack Hiscox 16.1
                    Nathan Drummond 15.9
                    Tom Lamb 15.5
                    Ed Langdon 15.3
                    Jarrod Garlett 15.2
                    Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
                    Jason Castagna 15.2
                    Billy Stretch 15.1
                    Jack Steele 15.1
                    Jordan Cunico 14.12
                    Christian Petracca 14.12

                    Click here for full draft and combine news

                    Kicking test (score out of 30)
                    Nakia Cockatoo 29
                    Daniel Howe 28
                    Kyle Langford 28
                    Toby McLean 27
                    Michael Mattingly 27
                    Nathan Drummond 27
                    Dean Gore 27
                    Brett Eddy 27
                    Clem Smith 26
                    Liam Duggan 26
                    Brayden Maynard 26
                    Jack Steele 26
                    Ed Vickers-Willis 26
                    Mitch McGovern 26

                    How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

                    Clean hands test (score out of 30)
                    Nathan Drummond 26
                    Paddy Brophy 26
                    Reece McKenzie 26
                    Tyler Keitel 26
                    Dougal Howard 26
                    Michael Mattingly 25
                    Brett Eddy 25
                    Caleb Daniel 25
                    Jake Johansen 25
                    Jarrod Garlett 25
                    Brydan Hodgson 25
                    Marc Pittonet 25
                    Liam Dawson 25
                    Jack Cripps 25

                    Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
                    Dean Gore 30
                    Keenan Ramsey 30
                    Nathan Drummond 25
                    Paddy Brophy 25
                    Michael Mattingly 25
                    Liam Dawson 25
                    Cory Gregson 25
                    Aidan Anderson 25
                    Dougal Howard 24
                    Jarrod Garlett 24
                    Jack Cripps 24
                    Bailey Dale 24
                    Declan Hamilton 24

                    20 metre sprint results (sec)
                    Marvin Baynham 2.81
                    Oleg Markov 2.87
                    Jarrod Pickett 2.87
                    Reece McKenzie 2.87
                    Connor Menadue 2.88
                    Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
                    Ed Langdon 2.92
                    Paddy Brophy 2.93
                    Conor McKenna 2.93
                    Nathan Drummond 2.93

                    Agility results (sec)
                    Clem Smith 8.09
                    Daniel McKenzie 8.10
                    Conor McKenna 8.12
                    Jarrod Pickett 8.13
                    Teia Miles 8.27
                    Lukas Webb 8.28
                    Josh McGuinness 8.33
                    Billy Stretch 8.33
                    Kyle Langford 8.36
                    Jack Lonie 8.37

                    Repeat sprint results (sec)
                    Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
                    Nathan Drummond 23.95
                    Daniel Nielson 23.99
                    Daniel McKenzie 24.02
                    Ed Langdon 24.06
                    Oleg Markov 24.14
                    Connor Menadue 24.14
                    Conor McKenna 24.16
                    Matthew Goodyear 24.49
                    Jack Hiscox 24.36

                    Standing vertical jump (cm)
                    Marvin Baynham 88
                    Jarrod Garlett 76
                    Nathan Drummond 76
                    Christian Petracca 74
                    Nakia Cockatoo 73
                    James Rose 73
                    Dean Gore 72
                    Nicholas Coughlan 72
                    Evan Bruinsma 72
                    Reece McKenzie 72
                    Tom Read 72

                    Running vertical jump (cm)
                    Evan Bruinsma 97
                    Marvin Baynham 95
                    Daniel McKenzie 94
                    Billy Gowers 93
                    Nathan Drummond 90
                    Nakia Cockatoo 89
                    Matthew Uebergang 87
                    Mitch McGovern 87
                    James Rose 87
                    Matthew Hammelmann 87
                    So many standouts that didn't make it.
                    Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 15 December 2021, 09:42 AM.

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                    • i'm-uninformed2
                      Reefer Madness
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 4653

                      Man, Richmond totally nailed that rookie draft. As good as it gets.
                      'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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                      • Ruck'n'Roll
                        Ego alta, ergo ictus
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 3990

                        Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
                        Man, Richmond totally nailed that rookie draft. As good as it gets.
                        Yep it was right up there with the Swans 2012 haul

                        Numerically this draft has so far yeilded 233 games, or 29 games per selection.One of the poorer ROI thus, but it may continue to improve a bit with Heeney and the Pelican still on the list.
                        Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 16 December 2021, 04:19 PM.

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                          In this draft we saw the Academy yielding 4 selections (in bold) - while Heeney was always going to be a high pick and perform accordingly, none of the others set the world on fire. But perhaps their selection raised encouraged other academy kid to strive harder. We took
                          #18 Isaac Heeney
                          #37 James Rose
                          #38 Jack Hiscox
                          #70 Abaina Davis
                          Then
                          #17 Sean McLaren
                          #35 Nic Newman
                          #52 Lewis Melican
                          #76 Jordan Foote
                          There were a moderate number of alternatives available, rather than Rose and/or Hiscox we could have taken Bailey Dale, Caleb Daniel, Mitch McGovern or Ed Langdon who all went after than in the main draft. Or we could have taken Kane Lambert, Jason Castagna, Jayden Short, Adam Saad or Reilly O'Brien, who all had to wait for the Rookie draft.

                          Saad was probably the player we could most have used, as he provides tremendous run out of defence, but subsequent history suggests he may have been a serious flight risk.
                          Reilly O’Brien could have been useful but at the time we two promising young rucks in Nankervis and Naismith.
                          Caleb Daniel’s wonderfully accurate disposal would have fitted in too, but perhaps we might have been concerned at his lack of height.
                          And Ed Langdon would have provided some of the run we are still trying to stockpile.

                          So yes, there were other picks we could have taken, but did we leave anyone truly transformative on the table? I don’t think so, so maybe a B (or C if you’re marking hard)
                          Good post RnR. Thanks for keeping the conversation happening.

                          I would give us a C for the ND and a B+ for the rookie draft (although that could improve if Melican ever really gets his act together).
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                          • Maltopia
                            Senior Player
                            • Apr 2016
                            • 1556

                            I would say a C for the ND as well.

                            We got Heeney but he was from the academy.

                            Looking at pick 37, 38 and 70…. nothing to even remotely celebrate.

                            Take away Heeney’s games and what is the ROI???

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