2015 academy discussion thread (with some FS thrown in for good measure)

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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6483

    No Cookies | Fox Sports News, Live Sport, Sports | Fox Sports
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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    • chalbilto
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2007
      • 1139

      Wow. This will really get McGuire frothing at the mouth with steam coming through his ears!

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      • dimelb
        pr. dim-melb; m not f
        • Jun 2003
        • 6889

        And it sounds as if Swans and GWS are singing from the same page, good news.
        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16795

          Originally posted by chalbilto
          Wow. This will really get McGuire frothing at the mouth with steam coming through his ears!
          I seem to remember that, when Ed lived in Sydney, he observed how many fewer opportunities there were for his son to play football - and he would probably have been just around Auskick age. Our Ed has a very short memory.

          In terms of stealing away FS players, its a beat up. Firstly, FS is entirely optional (as is participation in an academy). No one is forcing these kids to make a choice they don't want to make. Secondly, Longmire has been involved in the Swans significantly longer than he was with the Roos already. And he's far from done. His kids are born and bred Sydneysiders. If they identify with their local club more than one down in Melbourne, that's entirely natural. Blakey is also a reasonably long-standing coach at the Swans. He didn't fly in a year ago.

          Finally these kids are just that - kids. Especially the Longmire boys. Trying to project what their skills and interests might be, or the state of the academies or football in NSW in 5 or 7 years time is guesswork. Hardly something to get worked up about in 2015.

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          • S.S. Bleeder
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2014
            • 2165

            Interesting article from Robbo with some interesting comments; No Cookies | Herald Sun

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            • jono2707
              Goes up to 11
              • Oct 2007
              • 3326

              This is being painted as the Swans using the Academy as a way of stealing these potential f/s selections from North. This is not good in terms of how the Academy is perceived, and with the idiotic way the AFL is currently being run, don't be surprised by some sort of additional knee jerk reaction.

              People will use this to undermine the Academy. Plain and simple. And wrong.

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              • liz
                Veteran
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 16795

                Originally posted by jono2707
                This is being painted as the Swans using the Academy as a way of stealing these potential f/s selections from North. This is not good in terms of how the Academy is perceived, and with the idiotic way the AFL is currently being run, don't be surprised by some sort of additional knee jerk reaction.

                People will use this to undermine the Academy. Plain and simple. And wrong.
                But what knee jerk reaction is even possible / conceivable? If a NSW kid's father played more than 100 games for another club, they should be barred from participating in the academy, even though it's the only real pathway they have to developing their skills? Players aren't indentured to their father's club.

                Using 10 and 12 year old boys as emotive pawns in a football politics squabble in pretty ordinary, IMO. How about the kids are just allowed to grow up and make their own choices when they reach the appropriate age?

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                • jono2707
                  Goes up to 11
                  • Oct 2007
                  • 3326

                  Liz such sense has no place in the current day AFL landscape. Watch this get twisted out of all sensible reality, listen as the squawking reaches a deafening crescendo from down south, and then look on with disbelief as the AFL comes up with some sort of 'punishment' as a result of this complete beat up of a story. This is to become another avenue of attack on the academy system.

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                  • Auntie.Gerald
                    Veterans List
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 6483

                    the southern and western teams will continue to enjoy the increased talent in the player pool as we have started to see the last few years with more qld, nsw players filling up the draft combine

                    freebies for other clubs
                    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                    • Doctor
                      Bay 29
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 2757

                      "the controversial academies". They're not controversial at all! They're only in the news because of the hypocritical whinging of an entitled club President with massive conflicts of interest. What's controversial about developing young footy talent in a state that has no comparable way of developing it?
                      Today's a draft of your epitaph

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                      • Jimitron5000
                        Warming the Bench
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 457

                        The AFL have also have a conflict of interest. They are trying to run a football competition as well as being responsible for the growth of the game. It is evident by their approach to the academies that growing the game makes the competition grossly unfair. Given the competition gives the AFL exposure and revenue it will be the one that wins this conflict every time.

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                        • satchmopugdog
                          Bandicoots ears
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 3691

                          It was interesting to note that John Blakey's son is also eligible for the Lions as a father/son draftee.

                          Two things arise from this: 1. John played an awful lot of games
                          2. Interesting how the Melbourne entitlement was highlighted rather than the Brisbane angle...angling at reader base obviously and continuation of the "controversy"
                          "The Dog days are over, The Dog days are gone" Florence and the Machine

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            Have you read the update on this Blakey/Longmire article? The Fat Controller is at it again.

                            The academies afforded to the four northern clubs came under siege last year with Collingwood president Eddie McGuire saying they could ?go and get players and hide them away and train them from 12 years of age?.

                            If they make the grade, the Sydney trio could graduate from the Swans academy onto its senior list ? or choose to join North as father-son selections.

                            Nicholas Blakey (in the under-15s), Thomas Longmire (12) and Billy Longmire (10) flirted with North?s father-son academy in 2013, but haven?t been involved since.

                            McGuire renewed his attack after learning of the boys? academy enrolment.

                            ?All I?ll say is, it?s going to destroy the game, it?s as simple as that,? Eddie McGuire said on Triple M.

                            ?I don?t care if it?s Sydney or Brisbane or anyone else, tomorrow they?ll all kick into me as usual and I?ll have the silent colleagues in Melbourne who are about to cop it right in the ear.

                            ?Forget that they?re going to get all the father-sons if they live in Sydney.

                            ?They have got the equivalent, and this is understating it, of 600 father-sons ? but I?ll give you the kicker: 600 father-sons who can play.

                            ?So it?s not like it?s just the luck of the biological lottery that you get a kid like Darcy Moore who can play.

                            ?You can go through at age 12 and get the best 600 a year, not once, per year and you can train them and feed them and school them
                            Last edited by S.S. Bleeder; 5 February 2015, 05:28 PM.

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8185

                              The more he bleats, the less anyone listens. What an absolute buffoon though - '600 father sons' hahaha if only!

                              Seriously, why is it a surprise to anyone that the Longmire and Blakey kids are in the Swans academy? Their fathers are coaches at the Swans for goodness sake. Should they be shipped off to Melbourne as a sacrificial lamb, just to fulfil the wishes of the big fat buffoon who can't stay quiet for more than 2 seconds when his beloved Magpies have fallen out of the tree?
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                              • dimelb
                                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 6889

                                Originally posted by S.S. Bleeder

                                ... McGuire renewed his attack after learning of the boys? academy enrolment.

                                ?All I?ll say is, it?s going to destroy the game, it?s as simple as that,? Eddie McGuire said on Triple M. ...
                                Follows the old advice: if you're going to tell a lie, make it a big one.
                                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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