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  • Jimitron5000
    Warming the Bench
    • Oct 2006
    • 455

    #31
    Originally posted by Matt80
    Just a hypothetical. Please don't fire up.

    Imagine that we secured pick 1 in a trade for Hanners.

    We decided not to use pick 1 for Mills and see where his first bid occurs. Someone then bids pick 4 for Mills.

    Can the Swans return the player that they used with pick 1 back into the draft and get pick 1 back. They would then use a proportion of the available pick 1 points to pay the points cost of pick 4.

    Is that possible? It could be one of the flaws of live drafting with Academy and Father / Son players.
    I don't think so. If we didn't select Mills with pick 1 we have missed out on him. If we did, pick 1 is worth 3000 points and as he is an academy player we would receive a 25% discount. The discount would bring our next pick (it will be 18!) up in draft order by a number of points that correspond to the 25% discount.
    Clear as mud?

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8149

      #32
      Originally posted by Matt80
      Just a hypothetical. Please don't fire up.

      Imagine that we secured pick 1 in a trade for Hanners.

      We decided not to use pick 1 for Mills and see where his first bid occurs. Someone then bids pick 4 for Mills.

      Can the Swans return the player that they used with pick 1 back into the draft and get pick 1 back. They would then use a proportion of the available pick 1 points to pay the points cost of pick 4.

      Is that possible? It could be one of the flaws of live drafting with Academy and Father / Son players.
      You surely can't change your mind afterwards?
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Matt80
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Sep 2013
        • 1802

        #33
        Originally posted by Jimitron5000
        I don't think so. If we didn't select Mills with pick 1 we have missed out on him. If we did, pick 1 is worth 3000 points and as he is an academy player we would receive a 25% discount. The discount would bring our next pick (it will be 18!) up in draft order by a number of points that correspond to the 25% discount.
        Clear as mud?
        So this new academy system could work incredibly well for us is we have some high picks? We could get pick 1, use it on Mills, and then use the discount points to bump up pick 18 which may be enough to get Josh Dunkley. Dunkley is rated at this stage a 10-25 prospect. We then get a 25% father / son discount and bump up the low second round pick.

        With great prospects like Mills and Dunkley available it may be a sensible time to trade out established talent if they have any inkling of leaving Sydney.

        People say the academy prospects are not as good after Mills. This offseason may be the time to do deals!

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        • Doctor
          Bay 29
          • Sep 2003
          • 2757

          #34
          It's not that they're not as good, it's just they're not potential top 10 picks at this stage. It's hard to know yet what a 15yo kid is going to do in a year or two let alone 5.

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          Originally posted by Matt80
          Just a hypothetical. Please don't fire up.

          Imagine that we secured pick 1 in a trade for Hanners.

          We decided not to use pick 1 for Mills and see where his first bid occurs. Someone then bids pick 4 for Mills.

          Can the Swans return the player that they used with pick 1 back into the draft and get pick 1 back. They would then use a proportion of the available pick 1 points to pay the points cost of pick 4.

          Is that possible? It could be one of the flaws of live drafting with Academy and Father / Son players.
          While this is clearly not possible, the question you raise is a good one. If we feel Mills or Dunkley is worth pick 6 (say) and we use pick 1 for someone else, what does that mean in terms of our ability to then draft one (or both) of the other two.
          Today's a draft of your epitaph

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          • sharp9
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2508

            #35
            We don't bid for academy players - other clubs do. So if we have pick one that is irrelevant. The bidding happens before the draft. If someone bids pick 2 then we have to use our next pick(s) to secure that player. We are still free to use pick one on another player.
            "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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            • Mug Punter
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2009
              • 3325

              #36
              Originally posted by sharp9
              We don't bid for academy players - other clubs do. So if we have pick one that is irrelevant. The bidding happens before the draft. If someone bids pick 2 then we have to use our next pick(s) to secure that player. We are still free to use pick one on another player.
              Any talk of trading Hanners is insane and I'd be very surprised if he wanted to go.

              Of course if he demanded a transfer and we could get a good trade then we would have to look at it.

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              • tasmania60
                On the Rookie List
                • Jul 2013
                • 276

                #37
                Watched him closely seriously good football player has to stay(250 games)

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                • Conor_Dillon
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Jun 2013
                  • 1224

                  #38
                  Originally posted by tasmania60
                  Watched him closely seriously good football player has to stay(250 games)
                  He was outstanding tonight, unbelievable running ability. Especially considering he was playing on someone who has really had the wood on him in recent times. Should also be mentioned that Cornes won the Port 3k time trial with a PB so for Dan to burn him the way he did on a few occasions tonight is no easy task.
                  Twitter @cmdil
                  Instagram @conordillon

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                  • Bloody Hell
                    Senior Player
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3085

                    #39
                    Originally posted by AnnieH
                    Our biggest loss was Nic Malceski.
                    He's been quite mediocre so far at the Suns - early days....
                    The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                    • jono2707
                      Goes up to 11
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3326

                      #40
                      Hanners is throwing himself into the contests big time - he's providing a great example to his teammates although I fear he'll miss a game or two here and there as a result of his kamikaze play......

                      Inspirational tonight at times....

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                      • royboy42
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 2076

                        #41
                        We would need pick 1 and 2 for Hanners..

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16733

                          #42
                          I've long time believed Hanners to be our barometer. When he plays well, generally the team functions cohesively. When he's a bit off, or is successfully tagged out of a game, we frequently struggle. He's the perfect blend of a hard running outside footballer (notwithstanding his lack of electric pace) who will also put his head over the ball and scrap with the best of them. Hawthorn knew exactly what they were doing when they singled him out for extreme physical punishment early in the GF.

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            #43
                            Originally posted by sharp9
                            We don't bid for academy players - other clubs do. So if we have pick one that is irrelevant. The bidding happens before the draft. If someone bids pick 2 then we have to use our next pick(s) to secure that player. We are still free to use pick one on another player.
                            That's the old system you're referring to. The new system is/will be different.

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                            • stevoswan
                              Veterans List
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8543

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Bloody Hell
                              He's been quite mediocre so far at the Suns - early days....
                              After their start, he's probably wishing he stayed! Oh well, swings and roundabouts.....

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                              • YvonneH
                                Senior Player
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 1141

                                #45
                                Originally posted by stevoswan
                                After their start, he's probably wishing he stayed! Oh well, swings and roundabouts.....
                                Assume this is about Nick Mal. He gave us very good service for quite a few years and I wish him well.

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