Stand by Goodes

[PerthSwannie]

I resprct your right to hold your views but with views like that you have no right to call Adam Goodes mate.

Now be a good chap and @@@@ off.
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I`m so sorry I offended you mate. Sorry, I shouldn't of called you mate, Hey!!..........

[Ludwig]

I resprct your right to hold your views but with views like that you have no right to call Adam Goodes mate.

Now be a good chap and @@@@ off.

I commented on this matter in my post #61, where I also remarked that PerthSwannie holds a viewpoint held by a very sizable majority of Australians. If we are to understand how a situation can evolve where Adam Goodes is on the verge of leaving football, it is important to hear the opinions of the majority, even if those are minority viewpoints on this forum.

Much of the vitriol toward Adam is encapsulated in PerthSwannie's remark that Adam strayed into matters political. As Micky O'Loughlin said, white Australians prefer indigenous Australians to entertain us and keep their mouths shut. And they don't like to be confronted by uncomfortable historical facts that might impugn their domain over this continent and their right of racial privilege.

Alan Jones, Miranda Devine and the rest of their lot have lined up to give Adam Goodes a formidable whacking. I've had some posts deleted for comparing the American experience with that of Australia, but I'll give it another shot. In the America there is a saying among African Americans that 'driving while black' is a crime. In Australia, perhaps 'speaking while black' is a no-no as well.

[PerthSwannie]

l.In Australia, perhaps 'speaking while black' is a no-no as well.

Not as far as the ABC goes......... Black Comedy.. Hilarious!!! ABC Black Comedy: Indigenous GPS - YouTube

[Bloody Hell]

I think the Swans crowds are getting it right.

Every time Goodes gets the ball at the SCG cheer ridiculously loudly.

[Conor_Dillon]

Oh for gods sake people....... Am I the only one here who is thinking,, Riiiiiiight, here we have a mature, athletic, rich, sportsman, who is now sooking because opposition fans are booing him? Give me a break... Did Barry Hall give a @@@@? Mickey O ? No.
Adam has been one of my all time favorite Swannies apart from Mickey and Baz and Nicky Davis, but Goodsey has strayed into the political arena that I dont think he should have gone.

My humble advise to Adam............ Apologies to that little girl from Collingwood. All will be forgiven mate..............

If that's how you feel then you might as well cut up your membership...perhaps you're embarrassed of your fellow West Australian's after their disgraceful, distasteful and downright inhumane behaviour on Sunday afternoon?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to tell you that your opinion is moronic.

[mcs]

Miranda Devine beat you to the punch. She's already written an article in the Telegraph saying the same thing:



Lucky for us we have thinking people like you and Miranda to save us buffoons that thought indigenous Australians may have had a bit of a hard go of it. We're doing our best to put them in cages where they belong, but there just isn't enough money being spent on prisons these day. Perhaps too much is being diverted to health care facilities.


The Telegraph has the position of Miranda Devine followed by the counter-position of Richard Hinds. In the viewer poll that follows Miranda is ahead 69% to 31%, so it would seem that you are in the majority, which doesn't surprise me in the least. No Cookies | dailytelegraph.com.au

If anyone has advice on how to learn to become a racist so I can feel part of the mainstream of the Australian people it would be most appreciated.

Considering the demographic that read the tele, i cant believe that 31% of people can see reason.... maybe there is hope after all.

As for perthswannie - we are all entitled to our opinions, but if you are going to put your foot into the hornets nest, you should at least be prepared to have some reasonable arguments to support your position - which so far have been conspicuous in their absence.

[O'Reilly Boy]

If that's how you feel then you might as well cut up your membership...perhaps you're embarrassed of your fellow West Australian's after their disgraceful, distasteful and downright inhumane behaviour on Sunday afternoon?

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to tell you that your opinion is moronic.

So just to be clear Perthswannie: a 13 year old?that is, a high school age person?leans across a fence to scream, loudly, publically, with the clear intention to humiliate and embarrass, at an indigenous player that he is an ape, and the person who was the target of that attack, the person who was racially vilified, is expected to apologise? I note?again?that Goodes' conduct immediately after that event was exemplary. There was no hatred, no malice, no anger in any of his responses, and I think that that is very important: the anger, hatred, malice is flowing, overwhelmingly, in one direction. But he cannot be expected to apologise.
Let's be clear: a 13 year old should know better. Every 8 year old I know knows better (for the record, I am a father of an 11 year old and an 8 year old, and am actively engaged in coaching soccer teams, so spend a lot of time with kids of those ages). There are programs on bullying and racism in just about every primary school in the country. What if she had screamed 'hook-nose Jew', or 'nigger'? Still okay? It is also worth pointing out that Goodes' response at that moment was not to a one-off instance: he had been the brunt of racism, casual and deliberate, for years. He had every right to call that behaviour out at that moment. He had had enough.
It also makes me sad that the very commentators (Bolt, Devine, Jones) who are leaping to the defence of a supposedly innocent 13 year old have no such scruples about locking children in detention. And I wonder how tolerant or forgiving they are of, say, young graffiti artists or juvenile shoplifters. Is that sort of thing okay? Of course not: no humiliation or public scorning of such people is too much. But it's okay, it's prima facie forgiveable to be a racist because she was 13 and didn't, apparently, realise that she was being racist or offensive?
Again, because it needs to be repeated at every opportunity: Go Goodesy, you good thing. On you, Jetts, too, for your work on the weekend. More power to you, Richmond FC, Paul Roos, Nathan Buckley, Chris Scott, Jonathan Thurston and all of you who are lining up with #37. Hopefully the Swans management will be painting the centre square as an aboriginal flag this weekend.

[Conor_Dillon]

Really well said O'Reilly Boy

[swansrob]

+1, O'Reilly Boy

[ScottH]

Tigers to wear Dreamtime guernsey against Hawthorn

[mcs]

So just to be clear Perthswannie: a 13 year old?that is, a high school age person?leans across a fence to scream, loudly, publically, with the clear intention to humiliate and embarrass, at an indigenous player that he is an ape, and the person who was the target of that attack, the person who was racially vilified, is expected to apologise? I note?again?that Goodes' conduct immediately after that event was exemplary. There was no hatred, no malice, no anger in any of his responses, and I think that that is very important: the anger, hatred, malice is flowing, overwhelmingly, in one direction. But he cannot be expected to apologise.
Let's be clear: a 13 year old should know better. Every 8 year old I know knows better (for the record, I am a father of an 11 year old and an 8 year old, and am actively engaged in coaching soccer teams, so spend a lot of time with kids of those ages). There are programs on bullying and racism in just about every primary school in the country. What if she had screamed 'hook-nose Jew', or 'nigger'? Still okay? It is also worth pointing out that Goodes' response at that moment was not to a one-off instance: he had been the brunt of racism, casual and deliberate, for years. He had every right to call that behaviour out at that moment. He had had enough.
It also makes me sad that the very commentators (Bolt, Devine, Jones) who are leaping to the defence of a supposedly innocent 13 year old have no such scruples about locking children in detention. And I wonder how tolerant or forgiving they are of, say, young graffiti artists or juvenile shoplifters. Is that sort of thing okay? Of course not: no humiliation or public scorning of such people is too much. But it's okay, it's prima facie forgiveable to be a racist because she was 13 and didn't, apparently, realise that she was being racist or offensive?
Again, because it needs to be repeated at every opportunity: Go Goodesy, you good thing. On you, Jetts, too, for your work on the weekend. More power to you, Richmond FC, Paul Roos, Nathan Buckley, Chris Scott, Jonathan Thurston and all of you who are lining up with #37. Hopefully the Swans management will be painting the centre square as an aboriginal flag this weekend.

Well said O'Reilly.

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Tigers to wear Dreamtime guernsey against Hawthorn

This makes me very happy - especially given they also have a video of Maric speaking about it as well - which to me suggests it was a joint decision between the club and the players. Lets hope a few more clubs follow the lead - maybe, just maybe it might stop some of these fools in their tracks when they see their clubs won't tolerate such behaviour.

Bravo to the Tigers - it may be only a small gesture, but hopefully it'll warm the hearts of many, and most importantly Adam. I've always had a soft spot for the Tigers, so if it can't be us to lift the Cup in October, I'd love it to be the tigers to reward their long suffering fans.

[dimelb]

Thanks O'Reilly, clear as crystal.

Another excellent article:

The AFL has failed Adam Goodes with its reluctance to condemn booing as racist

And Peter Fitzsimons weighs in:

Bravo Adam Goodes and shame on Alan Jones and his acolytes

[Plugger46]

I'm not boycotting the game I love at the home ground I love for a player I love. I'll be there cheering on my team and standing up to any sort of behaviour that is unacceptable.

In the past I was probably someone who wouldn't have stood up to this sort of thing but the cumulative effect of the Adam Goodses who are not afraid to stand for what is proper and right have taught me a lot.

Well said.

I too have learnt plenty over the last 12 months. I can remember arguing on here after the Essendon game (at Etihad) last year. I was saying that there wasn't any racism attached to the booing - how wrong I was.

[snajik]

So just to be clear Perthswannie: a 13 year old?that is, a high school age person?leans across a fence to scream, loudly, publically, with the clear intention to humiliate and embarrass, at an indigenous player that he is an ape, and the person who was the target of that attack, the person who was racially vilified, is expected to apologise? I note?again?that Goodes' conduct immediately after that event was exemplary. There was no hatred, no malice, no anger in any of his responses, and I think that that is very important: the anger, hatred, malice is flowing, overwhelmingly, in one direction. But he cannot be expected to apologise.
Let's be clear: a 13 year old should know better. Every 8 year old I know knows better (for the record, I am a father of an 11 year old and an 8 year old, and am actively engaged in coaching soccer teams, so spend a lot of time with kids of those ages). There are programs on bullying and racism in just about every primary school in the country. What if she had screamed 'hook-nose Jew', or 'nigger'? Still okay? It is also worth pointing out that Goodes' response at that moment was not to a one-off instance: he had been the brunt of racism, casual and deliberate, for years. He had every right to call that behaviour out at that moment. He had had enough.
It also makes me sad that the very commentators (Bolt, Devine, Jones) who are leaping to the defence of a supposedly innocent 13 year old have no such scruples about locking children in detention. And I wonder how tolerant or forgiving they are of, say, young graffiti artists or juvenile shoplifters. Is that sort of thing okay? Of course not: no humiliation or public scorning of such people is too much. But it's okay, it's prima facie forgiveable to be a racist because she was 13 and didn't, apparently, realise that she was being racist or offensive?
Again, because it needs to be repeated at every opportunity: Go Goodesy, you good thing. On you, Jetts, too, for your work on the weekend. More power to you, Richmond FC, Paul Roos, Nathan Buckley, Chris Scott, Jonathan Thurston and all of you who are lining up with #37. Hopefully the Swans management will be painting the centre square as an aboriginal flag this weekend.

Very well put OB. I have two young lads myself (7 & 10) who are both mature and aware enough to view racism as something despicable.

On a brighter note I would like to propose an Honour Roll for this site that recognises all of those that have come out in support of Adam during these bleak times. Your referencing of Richmond FC, Paul Roos, Nathan Buckley, Chris Scott, Jonathan Thurston is a good starting point. Paul Roos, Gerard Whately, Mark Robinson, Brendon Goddard are others. A host of intelligent investigative journalists. I think they should be made aware that their contributions have been valued.

[Go Swannies]

Snajik, don't forget the NRL (!) and Bob Murphy. If you are going to have arguments about this be armed with the facts. I attach the actual quotes that Adam made after the Collingwood 13yo episode and on Australia Day (I hope, it's a pdf).Adam Goodes statements on 13yo and Oz Day.pdfScreen Shot 2015-07-30 at 10.19.41 am copy.jpg