GWS v Swans

[Mug Punter]

I liked what we got from our younger players on Saturday. BJ, Rose and Jones are the kind of players that will play there hearts out and that counts for a lot. Even Towers is going harder. Cunningham has crossed the line for me. He's now a hard at it footballer that does more than just get easy possessions on the outside. I also would like to put some of the recent criticism of Jake Lloyd into perspective. Lloyd is now getting a lot more of his possessions in traffic and under pressure and he's going to make more errors under those conditions. He is still a good decision maker and disposer of the football. He tries like hell to stick his tackles, but sometimes he can just barely hold on. But he doesn't back down. He doesn't have the pace of a Cunningham, so he will have to get stronger and keep improving his game to keep his spot in the long term, but I think he's the type of person that will do it.

They were good weren't they

Lloyd has only played 40 games, Cunningham has played 48 Tom has played 35, these guys are still learning but I am also expecting them to take that next step in the Finals. Harry has some real potential

ALso must say I love the way Heeney moves on the field, he really does move well and look like he belongs out there. I suspect he was playing hurt on the weekend as we could not cope with another withdrawal.

Rohan is definitely back so for mine you give Heeney a week off the get the body OK. Reckon Buddy will be back and I think we'll need him from now on as these are real banana skins

[cherub]

I was thinking the same thing about Hodge - he's been a dirty snippy player for years and yet he's revered for it. Goodes has done nothing like what Hodge has and yet gets crucified. He's just a nasty piece of work on the field but then he is coached by "Mr Whatever it takes"!!! Seeing as both Hodge & Fyfe have form in the brain fart hit me up stakes I hope that they both get suspended (that is if the MRP & Tribunal have the balls to do it.)

I've never seen any nastiness in Fyfe. He certainly shouldn't be rubbed out for today's incident. Hodge repeatedly snipes players and is rarely cited, and always backed up by the vomit-inducing Victorian TV commentators.He is a thug. And his mate smitchell, has corked Fyfe's thigh and put him out for weeks, and hampered him for more, and gets a pathetic fine. Hawthorn players have got away with thuggery for years, and been praised by their media mates.

[Meg]

GWS v Swans

He certainly shouldn't be rubbed out for today's incident.

If Fyfe is "rubbed out" it won't be for today's incident, it will be for the accumulation of three similarly careless incidents in one season. Clearly fines have no deterrent effect on him.

[i'm-uninformed2]

Do I think Hodge took a conscious decision to line up his neck against the post? No

But: he took a conscious decision to bump rather than other options, the look on his face and early alignment of the body suggests intent, and I think he knew very well some part of Wingard's body was going to be squeezed against the post and wanted to make the most of the opportunity.

So, given the choice, the intent and the duty of care, he has to go for at least three and more likely four given his loading. A dangerous act.

[AnnieH]

Wow. We won.
20 goals.
Like to see them play like that (if not a little better) for the next six weeks.

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I'm calling Josh Kennedy for the brownlow.

[Nico]

I've never seen any nastiness in Fyfe. He certainly shouldn't be rubbed out for today's incident. Hodge repeatedly snipes players and is rarely cited, and always backed up by the vomit-inducing Victorian TV commentators.He is a thug. And his mate smitchell, has corked Fyfe's thigh and put him out for weeks, and hampered him for more, and gets a pathetic fine. Hawthorn players have got away with thuggery for years, and been praised by their media mates.

Of course he should be rubbed out for that hit. It is exactly why the rule is there. You couldn't get a better one for the umps to send to the clubs. He had a month of Sundays to tackle the situation differently. It was as dangerous as it gets. Could easily have snapped his neck. And again it is another reason the Brownlow should never be changed from Fairest and Best. Fyfe's problem is that he far is too injudicious with his actions for him to be deemed unlucky when it comes to the Brownlow.

[Industrial Fan]

Just saw the hodge incident.

Big issues with the mrp if he doesn't get weeks. Post is not really relevant to the act ( but made the potential consequences worse), he bumped straight to the head.
Can't imagine the uproar if Goodes had done that to Hodge!

[Ampersand]

How is a boundary fence relevant in determining a dangerous act but a post irrelevant? They are both dangerous to be pushed or bumped into with force. I will be annoyed if he gets less than 3 weeks with his record.

[baskin]

Just saw the hodge incident.

Big issues with the mrp if he doesn't get weeks. Post is not really relevant to the act ( but made the potential consequences worse), he bumped straight to the head.
Can't imagine the uproar if Goodes had done that to Hodge!

If you take the post out of the equation and just consider where Wingard was on the field, i.e. the boundary line, he could have ended up in the fence. Would proximity to the fence then be a consideration? If so, why isn't the post? Also, players are very aware of the posts, they seem to be able to dodge them in most circumstances. I don't know the answers, just looking at the possibilities.

[wolftone57]

Do I think Hodge took a conscious decision to line up his neck against the post? No

But: he took a conscious decision to bump rather than other options, the look on his face and early alignment of the body suggests intent, and I think he knew very well some part of Wingard's body was going to be squeezed against the post and wanted to make the most of the opportunity.

So, given the choice, the intent and the duty of care, he has to go for at least three and more likely four given his loading. A dangerous act.

I agree. It was very reckless. There was intent to bump a part of Wyngard's body into the post. Should get 3 down to 2 with an early.

[wolftone57]

This is the best we have played all season. The young blokes were fantastic. Joey, Macca and Kizza stood up, the latter two finally. I love Reid at CHF or FF and want him to play there when buddy comes back. Bud can play HF or wing as he kicks a country mile and can bomb big goals on the run just like his mate Jetts.

Young Rose is definitely a surprise. I knew he had a bag of tricks but this is far above my wildest dreams. We finally have that medium forward who can crumb and kick goals. The opportunist. Mitch did it for a while but was not played enough I don't think. Horse had this silly idea that everyone has to be totally played out of position so when he did bring Morton in he played him on a wing. Silly really. Just wait for Rose to take a leap, for you Melbournians he will kick Howe off the back page.

Loved the way we passed into the forward 50. This is how it can be done. In the second we went back to that bombing and consequently kicked badly and we got rebounded. But for 3 quarters we passed and handballed with precision and skill. I was shocked and almost sent a note asking if we had replaced our players with Richmond or Hawks players we were so precise. We have been sloppy all year but against GWS we were clinical. Need to bring that for the last two matches. This is the sort of form that will make us dangerous in the finals. Up to now we were only making up the numbers. I like the fact the backline is also returning to form with Teddy and Reg playing very well as did all the others. Shaw has to stop taking the second option as he gets caught too many times now. He is an old bugger and old buggers need to lay the ball off to young buggers who will run the ball. Rampe gives me heart attacks and needs to settle that going off the line every time. He just plays on automatically no matter if he is hemmed in or not. UGH! Get me a pacemaker now!

The coaching was even half decent. They made the right moves and the stoppages set ups were really good. They haven't been bad all season but it has been the transition that has had problems. The long bombs, silly short handball and set up going backward which can end up very messy and dangerous if the opposition put enough pressure on. We didn't do that under pressure against GWS as we had side options not only backward options and a get out of gaol card. The lateral handball was very good and it started many attacking moves from the stoppages. We used to do this well but in the past year have been setting up with all players on the defensive side and no players on the lateral side. This time we set up the right way and got rewarded. Good on you jaded old buggers in the coaches box. Proved me wrong. Didn't know you had any ideas relevant to today's footy left.

Even though Lloydy doesn't get 30 or more disposals what he does get is generally used well. I love the way he just sums the situation up and spits off a pass or a ball that is to advantage. Sammy clunked a couple of beautiful marks from a couple of really nice Lloyd kicks as he put it to Sammy's advantage.

But I think the story of the day was Rose. We have found a KEEPER.

[stevoswan]

I've never seen any nastiness in Fyfe. He certainly shouldn't be rubbed out for today's incident. Hodge repeatedly snipes players and is rarely cited, and always backed up by the vomit-inducing Victorian TV commentators.He is a thug. And his mate smitchell, has corked Fyfe's thigh and put him out for weeks, and hampered him for more, and gets a pathetic fine. Hawthorn players have got away with thuggery for years, and been praised by their media mates.

Absolutely correct, they call it 'unsociable footy", what a crock......

Do I think Hodge took a conscious decision to line up his neck against the post? No

But: he took a conscious decision to bump rather than other options, the look on his face and early alignment of the body suggests intent, and I think he knew very well some part of Wingard's body was going to be squeezed against the post and wanted to make the most of the opportunity.

So, given the choice, the intent and the duty of care, he has to go for at least three and more likely four given his loading. A dangerous act.

Actually, for the reasons you state after 'But:', I think the answer to the first question you pose is Yes. He's a thug, and his pathetic post match 'apologies' to the affected player are just a cover up for his true intentions, and that is to injure players. The MRP should send him a strong message......4 weeks minimum. He could have broken Wingards neck!!

[Nico]

Absolutely correct, they call it 'unsociable footy", what a crock......


Actually, for the reasons you state after 'But:', I think the answer to the first question you pose is Yes. He's a thug, and his pathetic post match 'apologies' to the affected player are just a cover up for his true intentions, and that is to injure players. The MRP should send him a strong message......4 weeks minimum. He could have broken Wingards neck!!

The old post match apology. Mitchell did exactly the same after he one of his kneeing incidents. The whistle had been blown and he continued on. I don't know if the ump called play on but he lined him up from a long way off. He could easily have tackled him against the post or through the points if he was to prevent him coming around to kick the goal. It is clearly a Hawthorn tactic to take opposition game players out of the action. Just happens too often not to be. I don't think he can get it down graded with an early plea given he served 4 weeks earlier this year. I still don't get why he didn't get cited for that sly clip to the nose of Grimes behind play against Richmond.

[Wardy]

If Fyfe is "rubbed out" it won't be for today's incident, it will be for the accumulation of three similarly careless incidents in one season. Clearly fines have no deterrent effect on him.

Agree Anne and I shod have been clearer - Fyfe is no where near as snippy and sneaky like Hodge is - but if he's been fined on a number of occasions this year (and his previous suspensions have to play a part) - it might only be for a week - but he should be rubbed out. As for Hodge - throw the book at him!

[liz]

Agree Anne and I shod have been clearer - Fyfe is no where near as snippy and sneaky like Hodge is - but if he's been fined on a number of occasions this year (and his previous suspensions have to play a part) - it might only be for a week - but he should be rubbed out. As for Hodge - throw the book at him!

I don't think Fyfe should be suspended (or even fined, if that were an option) for the most recent incident. I do think he was a tad lucky on the last two occasions - especially the first one when he flung his leg out. But this time he was competing for the ball. Although the particulars are different, I think it is a similar situation to the Hanners "hit" on Hurley last year, and another similar one from earlier this year. In both cases Hanners made head high contact but was legitimately and realistically competing for the ball. Fyfe does need to be a little careful, though. He competes so hard on occasions and sometimes on the edge of what is realistic. One day he will cause an injury to someone.