2016 Team

[Meg]

2016 Team

Do you know if taking O'Riordan automatically expands out list to 45 players, meaning we still have to go with 38 + 6 and the Internationals are in addition to that; or can they be included with the six regular rookies if we wish?

The rules do keep changing (and some clubs want the rookie list concept to be scrapped altogether, so that there is just one list of senior players that can be used for selection).

However I THINK the current rules are:

. A minimum of 38 and maximum of 40 on senior list (GWS & GCS have had different list specifications, not sure when these fall back)
. No minimum but a maximum of six on rookie list, so a maximum total list of 44 altogether (excluding Category B rookies).
. Up to three additional Category B rookies (which includes international recruits)
. Special rules for Irish rookies (presumably because these are thought to be less speculative recruits) - up to one as a Category B rookie but each additional Irish rookie deemed to be a Category A rookie.

From the above I assume O'Riordan is counted as a Category B rookie. And that the Swans don't HAVE to have a total list of 44.

But I'm not sure what underlies your question.

I think, in general, rookie player payments sit outside the total player payments counted as the salary cap. So I don't see any advantage to the Swans even if they could count O'Riordan as a Category A rookie.

And I particularly don't see any advantage in running with a list of less than 44 in total - although the strategy of only having 38 on the senior list has been very helpful in managing salary cap pressure in recent years.

[liz]

I'd expect most of last year's rookie list to be retained, especially given this is said to be a shallow draft.

Naismith we already know has a contract. We saw little of Melican in 2015 but Harley is clearly a fan. Newman looks to have senior AFL potential. Perris can play, and it would be cruel to cut him loose given his injuries.

I am agnostic on McLaren and Foote. Foote is a reasonable player but looks a bit vanilla to me. He's a bit of a poor man's Dan Robinson. He might get another year but he doesn't really look AFL standard to me. McLaren was pretty ordinary for most of the year but could be saved because of his height.

[Ludwig]

But I'm not sure what underlies your question.

For some reason I thought rookie salaries were included in the cap at 50% of actual. I have no idea on the Internationals. I'm not sure where I got that idea from. My question was first about what gets included in the salary cap and second if there was an obligation to have a minimum number of total players and further whether the B Category players could be part of the total.

I also fully agree with Liz' rookie assessments. I thought Foote did well enough to retain a spot for another year. I was very disappointed with McClaren, but he seemed to do better the rare times he played in defence, so perhaps he too will be spared.

The club seems more concerned about getting through this post season period limiting the damage rather than making any bold moves, which seems to best fit our overall circumstances. Hopefully we will be in a more flexible position next year.

[Meg]

2016 Team

There seem to be quite complex rules rules about Rookie payments in the current CBA, but this I think is relevant:

"Football payments to a Rookie:
(i) while on the Rookie List; and/or
(ii) while on the Primary List to replace a long term injured Player,
shall not be included in the Total Player Payments of an AFL Club provided that if the Rookie remains on the Primary List when the long term injured Player is reinstated to the Primary List, Football Payments received by the Rookie in respect of the period after the long term injured Player is reinstated (?the date of reinstatement?) will be included in the Total Player Payments. Those amounts shall include a monthly pro-rata amount of the base payment calculated from the date of reinstatement and also include all Senior Match payments for Matches played on or after that date."

[Auntie.Gerald]

2016 Team:

B: Smith Richards Laids


HB: Jones Grundy Rampe


C: Harry Kennedy K.Jack


HF: Heeney Tippett Macca


F: Towers Franklin Reid


FOL: SINCLAIR Parker Hannebery


I/C: Mitchell, Lloyd, B.Jack, Rohan


emergencies: McGlynn, TALIA, Hewett, Robo, X,

Mills and Dunks will probably get a game in 2016 also

[Auntie.Gerald]

Callum Mills - 2015 AFL Draft Prospect Highlights - YouTube

callum 2014

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and he plays no13 which is Nankos

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and most importantly do we let Heeney loose in the midfield in 2016 ?

Im starting to believe that with a season and a pre season under his belt and with his incredible skills he is ready......who misses out ?

[Ludwig]

I don't know what the round 1 side will be, but I think this may be the side at mid season:

B: Smith Grundy Talia
HB: Rohan Richards Rampe
C: K.Jack Macca Parker
HF: Heeney Franklin Hannebery
F: Tippett Reid Cunningham
FOL: Naismith Mitchell Kennedy
I/C: Mills Hewett Jones Towers
emergencies: Lloyd McGlynn Robo, Newman, Laidler Sinclair

[Mug Punter]

I don't know what the round 1 side will be, but I think this may be the side at mid season:

B: Smith Grundy Talia
HB: Rohan Richards Rampe
C: K.Jack Macca Parker
HF: Heeney Franklin Hannebery
F: Tippett Reid Cunningham
FOL: Naismith Mitchell Kennedy
I/C: Mills Hewett Jones Towers
emergencies: Lloyd McGlynn Robo, Newman, Laidler Sinclair

I'd like to see that

[Auntie.Gerald]

Ok Ludwig here are my concerns but I am certainly not the oracle when picking teams

you've gone with a team with a fair few players out of their customary position and untried talent in Talia and SammyN starting ?

you left Sinclair out even though he proved himself very capable all season in a top 2 team?

Rohan has been a one game success off the HBF?

No Jones to start off the HBF ?

No lloyd ?

HarryC hasn't played much forward pocket but could do it no doubt but who will tag the best outside players in the comp with no Harry and then no Jetta for outside speed on the break........Not much speed in the midfield in general ?

yet I was bullish in placing BJ and Towers in the 22 to become the players I want them to be with their speed

[Auntie.Gerald]

PS does anyone else think Brandon could become a tagger / run with player on the outside midfield opposition players ?

I think dumbing down his role as they did for his brother many years ago could work a treat but big call for him to be able to achieve this role week in week out !

[dimelb]

PS does anyone else think Brandon could become a tagger / run with player on the outside midfield opposition players ?

I think dumbing down his role as they did for his brother many years ago could work a treat but big call for him to be able to achieve this role week in week out !

Yes, he could. He is very quick, can tackle and is a decent kick. I'd like to see more of him in the firsts.

[Melbourne_Blood]

I don't know what the round 1 side will be, but I think this may be the side at mid season:

B: Smith Grundy Talia
HB: Rohan Richards Rampe
C: K.Jack Macca Parker
HF: Heeney Franklin Hannebery
F: Tippett Reid Cunningham
FOL: Naismith Mitchell Kennedy
I/C: Mills Hewett Jones Towers
emergencies: Lloyd McGlynn Robo, Newman, Laidler Sinclair

Definitely some X factor in that side!

[dejavoodoo44]

I don't know what the round 1 side will be, but I think this may be the side at mid season:

B: Smith Grundy Talia
HB: Rohan Richards Rampe
C: K.Jack Macca Parker
HF: Heeney Franklin Hannebery
F: Tippett Reid Cunningham
FOL: Naismith Mitchell Kennedy
I/C: Mills Hewett Jones Towers
emergencies: Lloyd McGlynn Robo, Newman, Laidler Sinclair

Yes, I'd certainly like to see Rohan having a dash off the halfback flank.

[longmile]

2016 Team:

B: Smith Richards Laids


HB: Jones Grundy Rampe


C: Harry Kennedy K.Jack


HF: Heeney Tippett Macca


F: Towers Franklin Reid


FOL: SINCLAIR Parker Hannebery


I/C: Mitchell, Lloyd, B.Jack, Rohan


emergencies: McGlynn, TALIA, Hewett, Robo, X,

Mills and Dunks will probably get a game in 2016 also

I'd imagine this would be the team that lines up round 1, except I'd imagine Longmire would put a fully fit McGlynn ahead of BJ and Lloyd.

[Mug Punter]

There's two players I'd like to see given an extended run from the first round provided they tick all the boxes in pre-season and they are Towers and BJ.

I know I am his chief cheerleader but I really believe Towers has the ability to have a breakout season next year, he plays very tall (just realised he holds the combine stationery vertical leap record) and he is just something different to other players and we need his unpredictability, plus I just love his story and the way we have perservered with him. Horse said after his game against Gold Coast (I think) that what he does in training is quality and he just needs to believe he can do it in the match.

I like the idea of giving BJ the tagger role, I liked his late season development but next year could be make or break.

Zak Jones should continue his development and I'd hope he has first shot at Shaw's spot - he seemed to make some silly errors which he needs to rub out but next year will hopefully be the one where he plays 18-22 games and finally arrives.

I would think Mills will slot in pretty much straight away a la Heeney and I'd like to see Heeney off the half forward flank.

Talia's inclusion makes our backline look a lot more solid and I like the balance of a back 6 of Ted, Reg, Smith, Rampe, Talia and Jones but don't be surprised in Laidler's rises to the challenge and plays every game either, he is one of the most underrated players in the side and I just love the way he goes about his footy.

All we need then is for Hewett, Sam and maybe Abe to play 8-12 senior games each and maybe for Dunks to be knocking on the door and we'll have the depth that seemed to be missing a bit this year.

I hate off season