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  • longmile
    Crumber
    • Apr 2011
    • 3372

    #61
    Despite coaching us to a premiership I've never been to sold on Longmire. He doesnt seem to be able to think quickly on his feet or seems to rely soley on a Plan A. Dew has been sitting in the wings for a few years now and with Kirky back surely the time to change reins would be now or next year and would freshen up our gamestyle which this year seemed to stagnate a bit while the game changed to a more offensive style.

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    • Mug Punter
      On the Rookie List
      • Nov 2009
      • 3325

      #62
      Originally posted by longmile
      Despite coaching us to a premiership I've never been to sold on Longmire. He doesnt seem to be able to think quickly on his feet or seems to rely soley on a Plan A. Dew has been sitting in the wings for a few years now and with Kirky back surely the time to change reins would be now or next year and would freshen up our gamestyle which this year seemed to stagnate a bit while the game changed to a more offensive style.
      This has to be a wind up, are you freaking serious?

      You want to replace a guy who has a win ratio of 67% with the second highest win ratio since the AFL Inception

      Man, talk about being hard to please - barge-arse or our own version of the Dalia Lama are no guarantee of being as near as successful as Horse



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      • WauchopeAnalyst
        Regular in the Side
        • Sep 2008
        • 834

        #63
        Originally posted by Mug Punter
        This has to be a wind up, are you freaking serious?

        You want to replace a guy who has a win ratio of 67% with the second highest win ratio since the AFL Inception

        Man, talk about being hard to please - barge-arse or our own version of the Dalia Lama are no guarantee of being as near as successful as Horse



        AFL Coaches Since 1987 Records & Statistics
        We play the same way as Freo and how many premierships have Freo had? Finals appease the poor clubs.

        I would rather missed finals but trying to play a way that can will the flag, not just to make finals and hope the Hawks fall over. In 2012 we played a way that worked. In 2014 looked good, but absolutely smashed. The Hawks will beat us at every game until the whole Hodge, Lewis, Burgoyne, Mitchell, Roughead, Gibson, Lake are gone but they will backfill with every player they want.

        That was 3 years ago and they have beat us in every IMPORTANT game, not round 5.

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        • longmile
          Crumber
          • Apr 2011
          • 3372

          #64
          Originally posted by Mug Punter
          This has to be a wind up, are you freaking serious?

          You want to replace a guy who has a win ratio of 67% with the second highest win ratio since the AFL Inception

          Man, talk about being hard to please - barge-arse or our own version of the Dalia Lama are no guarantee of being as near as successful as Horse



          AFL Coaches Since 1987 Records & Statistics
          Yes I'm being serious. I think we are a very good team and we have a decent to good coach, but we seem to be a bit off other top 8 teams in regards to our ball movement, adaptability and zoning and rely on our genuine grunt work to get the job done. While I am being a bit harsh on Horse I think we could be a little bit more tactically savvy or inspirational/forward thinking in order to take us to the extra level.

          But obviously our skills at the moment are our biggest concern.
          Last edited by longmile; 8 October 2015, 11:14 AM.

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #65
            Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
            We play the same way as Freo and how many premierships have Freo had? Finals appease the poor clubs.

            I would rather missed finals but trying to play a way that can will the flag, not just to make finals and hope the Hawks fall over. In 2012 we played a way that worked. In 2014 looked good, but absolutely smashed. The Hawks will beat us at every game until the whole Hodge, Lewis, Burgoyne, Mitchell, Roughead, Gibson, Lake are gone but they will backfill with every player they want.

            That was 3 years ago and they have beat us in every IMPORTANT game, not round 5.
            Missing the finals has major implications for us. Financially and in terms of attracting talent. We need to present ourselves as a pathway to a flag. Consistent top 4 finishes are required.

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              #66
              Originally posted by longmile
              ... but we seem to be a bit off other top 8 teams in regards to our ball movement, adaptability and zoning ...
              The Weagles, and hence Adam Simpson, did not show much adaptability in the GF.
              "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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              • Levii3
                Regular in the Side
                • Jun 2015
                • 655

                #67
                John Longmire is an excellent coach just because he doesn't present well in the media doesn't mean he is a bad coach and "slow on his feet". We don't need a new coach we need a new strategist thats Stuart Dews role who has been so consumed in getting a senior coaching position he's not doing the job he currently has very well
                Longmires Record i think it holds up against the best coaches
                5 consecutive Finals Series
                4 Consecutive Top 4 ladder finishes
                1 premiership
                1 minor premiership
                1 Grand Final

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                • Mug Punter
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 3325

                  #68
                  Originally posted by barry
                  Missing the finals has major implications for us. Financially and in terms of attracting talent. We need to present ourselves as a pathway to a flag. Consistent top 4 finishes are required.
                  Well, just as well that we have a coach who has achieved the fopllowing in his forst 5 seasons

                  5 consecutive Finals Series
                  4 Consecutive Top 4 ladder finishes
                  1 premiership
                  1 minor premiership
                  2 Grand Finals

                  Talk of getting rid of Horse is without doubt the most insane suggestion I have heard in here ever (and that is saying something)...

                  Having said that I am hoping that having Kirky back might freshen us up a bit tactically and that me might become a bit more unpredictable next year

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                  • Conor_Dillon
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Jun 2013
                    • 1224

                    #69
                    Originally posted by Levii3
                    ...just because he doesn't present well in the media
                    I've always found him to be great in the media..where does this comment come from?
                    Twitter @cmdil
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                    • Levii3
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Jun 2015
                      • 655

                      #70
                      Originally posted by Conor_Dillon
                      I've always found him to be great in the media..where does this comment come from?
                      It was in response to the first comment by longmile saying he's not quick on his feet. I think he's good in the media post match i think like all coaches he doesn't want to be there his mid week pressers are usually better

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                      • 6'2, 220, 4.53
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Aug 2015
                        • 77

                        #71
                        Originally posted by longmile
                        Despite coaching us to a premiership I've never been to sold on Longmire. He doesnt seem to be able to think quickly on his feet or seems to rely soley on a Plan A. Dew has been sitting in the wings for a few years now and with Kirky back surely the time to change reins would be now or next year and would freshen up our gamestyle which this year seemed to stagnate a bit while the game changed to a more offensive style.
                        The Swans Board and Executive have a different view on Longmire.

                        Essendon contacted Andrew Ireland and asked if Longmire could be contacted about the Essendon coaching job. Ireland told Essendon that Horse would not be released from his contract.

                        If the Board and CEO did not believe Longmire was the man going forward then they would have allowed Essendon to talk to Longmire.

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                        • Bloods05
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2008
                          • 1641

                          #72
                          Originally posted by 6'2, 220, 4.53
                          The Swans Board and Executive have a different view on Longmire.

                          Essendon contacted Andrew Ireland and asked if Longmire could be contacted about the Essendon coaching job. Ireland told Essendon that Horse would not be released from his contract.

                          If the Board and CEO did not believe Longmire was the man going forward then they would have allowed Essendon to talk to Longmire.
                          Dare you to tell us how you know all that.

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                          • 6'2, 220, 4.53
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Aug 2015
                            • 77

                            #73
                            Originally posted by Bloods05
                            Dare you to tell us how you know all that.
                            Caroline Wilson.

                            As Paul Roos would say "Here it is":

                            www.smh.com.au - John Worsfold steps up bid to win Essendon coaching job

                            You know Bloods05 that I only deal in facts! Caro is fact.

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #74
                              Just for the record, Longmire has twice won the AFL Coaches Association's Coach of the Year Award, 2012 and 2014. Alastair Clarkson has never won the award. You might argue that awards don't mean much (given that Obama and Kissinger have each won the Nobel Peace Prize), but it does recognize that Horse is highly regarded by his peers.

                              I don't think there is as much variation in game plans as some people imagine. The better coaches find a plan that their players are capable of executing. I've noted the Swans' trying to play a style similar the the Bulldogs at times (Collingwood game was the best example), but we struggled to string together enough effective disposals to make it work.

                              It's hard to say how our game plan was working by the end of the season because we had so many key players out injured and we kicked so poorly, especially for goal, in our 2 finals games.

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                              • Untamed Snark
                                Senior Player
                                • Feb 2011
                                • 1375

                                #75
                                Originally posted by 6'2, 220, 4.53
                                Caroline Wilson.

                                As Paul Roos would say "Here it is":

                                www.smh.com.au - John Worsfold steps up bid to win Essendon coaching job

                                You know Bloods05 that I only deal in facts! Caro is fact.
                                That's not how you spell it
                                Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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