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  • chalbilto
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2007
    • 1139

    #76
    Originally posted by Ludwig
    Just for the record, Longmire has twice won the AFL Coaches Association's Coach of the Year Award, 2012 and 2014. Alastair Clarkson has never won the award. You might argue that awards don't mean much (given that Obama and Kissinger have each won the Nobel Peace Prize), but it does recognize that Horse is highly regarded by his peers.

    I don't think there is as much variation in game plans as some people imagine. The better coaches find a plan that their players are capable of executing. I've noted the Swans' trying to play a style similar the the Bulldogs at times (Collingwood game was the best example), but we struggled to string together enough effective disposals to make it work.

    It's hard to say how our game plan was working by the end of the season because we had so many key players out injured and we kicked so poorly, especially for goal, in our 2 finals games.



    What some of the posters here fail to acknowledge is the impact that injuries paid to our finals campaign. Just imagine how Hawthorn had of gone if Mitchell, Hodge, Gunsten & Roughhead together with a ruckman with dicky knees didn't play in the finals. Remember we had Parker, Jack, Buddy, Reid all out with injuries as well as Pyke struggling with his knees. Let's have a look at our game plan when everyone is fit. I do concede that kicking skills and decision making do need attention and these areas should be addressed over summer.

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    • Molly dooker
      Lifer!
      • Jun 2007
      • 247

      #77
      Hey all, what's happening on the AJ front. Anybody heard of the reco was a success? Is he running yet?

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      • mcs
        Travelling Swannie!!
        • Jul 2007
        • 8177

        #78
        Originally posted by Molly dooker
        Hey all, what's happening on the AJ front. Anybody heard of the reco was a success? Is he running yet?
        I thought I read somewhere the other day that he was due to have the reco this week or next week? So nowhere near running.

        2017 should be the target for him, should it all go right for him (Fingers, toes and everything crossed!)
        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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        • WauchopeAnalyst
          Regular in the Side
          • Sep 2008
          • 834

          #79
          For the positive people please explain the Round 16 result against Hawthorn. I know it is a repeat of the 2014 GF, but please tell me what has happened! What excuse is it this time?

          I will tell you. We buckle under pressure.

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          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8573

            #80
            Originally posted by Ludwig
            Just for the record, Longmire has twice won the AFL Coaches Association's Coach of the Year Award, 2012 and 2014. Alastair Clarkson has never won the award. You might argue that awards don't mean much (given that Obama and Kissinger have each won the Nobel Peace Prize), but it does recognize that Horse is highly regarded by his peers.

            I don't think there is as much variation in game plans as some people imagine. The better coaches find a plan that their players are capable of executing. I've noted the Swans' trying to play a style similar the the Bulldogs at times (Collingwood game was the best example), but we struggled to string together enough effective disposals to make it work.

            It's hard to say how our game plan was working by the end of the season because we had so many key players out injured and we kicked so poorly, especially for goal, in our 2 finals games.
            I believe they must look more at what a coach has achieved with his available list, not what a coach, who has a list heads and shoulders above everyone else, should rightly achieve, ie; Clarkson/Hawks. If Hawthorn were to win this award, they would probably pass it on to their recruiters.......or maybe Gillon for making their life so easy. It could be the coaches see the current situation for what it really is, skewed in Hawthorn's favour.

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            • Bloods05
              Senior Player
              • Oct 2008
              • 1641

              #81
              Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
              For the positive people please explain the Round 16 result against Hawthorn. I know it is a repeat of the 2014 GF, but please tell me what has happened! What excuse is it this time?

              I will tell you. We buckle under pressure.
              I will tell you what happened: we buckled under pressure.

              What we need to do is: stop buckling and stand up.

              Does that make me a positive person?

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              • WauchopeAnalyst
                Regular in the Side
                • Sep 2008
                • 834

                #82
                If we play the same game, positions, tactics around stoppages, our defence then we are in trouble. How many times will you accept failure.

                We will only win if everything works for us. Pressure from Bulldogs, Freo, Geelong, WC, 1/2 a game against Richmond, and the Hawks is enough to beat us.

                Explain how we are going to win and i will get on board but apart from the players I cant see anything close to the Hawks.

                P.S. Nobody, publicly, wants to come to Sydney.

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                • Levii3
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Jun 2015
                  • 655

                  #83
                  One step to getting to another Premiership is getting in a new coach specifically for stoppages. Think this is the first time i've seen a Swans side not win the contested ball wish is what the Sydney brand has been built on

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                  • Melbourne_Blood
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2010
                    • 3312

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Mug Punter
                    Well, just as well that we have a coach who has achieved the fopllowing in his forst 5 seasons

                    5 consecutive Finals Series
                    4 Consecutive Top 4 ladder finishes
                    1 premiership
                    1 minor premiership
                    2 Grand Finals

                    Talk of getting rid of Horse is without doubt the most insane suggestion I have heard in here ever (and that is saying something)...

                    Having said that I am hoping that having Kirky back might freshen us up a bit tactically and that me might become a bit more unpredictable next year
                    Not sure how much of a tactician Kirky is ( he could be, I have no idea) but his ability to inspire would be handy. Remember his 3 qtr time huddle rev ups in the 'bloods era' of 2004-2007 or so, they seemed to nearly always get a response out of the team.

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                    • Mug Punter
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 3325

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                      Not sure how much of a tactician Kirky is ( he could be, I have no idea) but his ability to inspire would be handy. Remember his 3 qtr time huddle rev ups in the 'bloods era' of 2004-2007 or so, they seemed to nearly always get a response out of the team.
                      I think he will really have a strong impact on the playing group, I think he is a pretty creative thinker and he'll hopefully bring some fresh ideas.

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                      • WauchopeAnalyst
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 834

                        #86
                        Thanyou Levii3, MB, MP for constructive comments. Kirk will improve leadership but do Macca and Kizza give as enough since 2012/13.

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                        • Melbourne_Blood
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2010
                          • 3312

                          #87
                          Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
                          Thanyou Levii3, MB, MP for constructive comments. Kirk will improve leadership but do Macca and Kizza give as enough since 2012/13.
                          Probably not. On field both have been at times fantastic leaders up until that day in 2014 and a few times in 2015. Not sure they are capable of dragging our side over the line though. Parker or Kennedy or both should be our next captain(s)

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            #88
                            Originally posted by chalbilto
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                            What some of the posters here fail to acknowledge is the impact that injuries paid to our finals campaign. Just imagine how Hawthorn had of gone if Mitchell, Hodge, Gunsten & Roughhead together with a ruckman with dicky knees didn't play in the finals. Remember we had Parker, Jack, Buddy, Reid all out with injuries as well as Pyke struggling with his knees. Let's have a look at our game plan when everyone is fit. I do concede that kicking skills and decision making do need attention and these areas should be addressed over summer.
                            +1

                            Originally posted by Molly dooker
                            Hey all, what's happening on the AJ front. Anybody heard of the reco was a success? Is he running yet?
                            I think it was delayed. Might be in a week or two.

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                            • Mug Punter
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 3325

                              #89
                              Originally posted by WauchopeAnalyst
                              Thanyou Levii3, MB, MP for constructive comments. Kirk will improve leadership but do Macca and Kizza give as enough since 2012/13.
                              I felt that Kizza had a pretty good season, he still does a hell of a lot off the ball and tackling, I reckon he has one season left before he starts to wane. Maaca is on the wane I am afraid but I believe he can do a role for the team, maybe floating on the half forward line.

                              Not a great drama as it happens to the best but who will step up? Parker is a gun already but I'd throw him in the guts full time next year. Heeney will improve no doubt and Mills could be out of the box (big expectations I know).

                              In terms of who we can get more out of I reckon Mitchell can very quickly go to elite level. Of the bottom 6 in the 22 I see Rampe and Towers as two players with loads of potential

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                              • Auntie.Gerald
                                Veterans List
                                • Oct 2009
                                • 6483

                                #90
                                when i look at the strengths of the Hawks out of their backline is see a great combo of

                                players with kicks that are extremely penetrating and can help them get that long pass into a less pressure area - Suckling, Hodge, Dureya etc

                                then of course their great one on one KPPs and their plus 1 defence

                                ..............

                                For me i think we don't have enough players with penetrating kicks

                                we are weaker then Hawks 2015 for KPP depth

                                we are weaker in run and carry players also now we have lost Jetts, Mal and Shaw
                                "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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