Rnd 10 Match Day Thread. Sydney V North Melb. SCG. 7.50 pm.

[Auntie.Gerald]

part of our success on friday night was our outside players allowing mitchell to dive in at the contest and having lloyd or harry or hannes moving into space ahead of the contest

it is a nightmare for the opposition to match up on as they are in two minds to flood the ball or to keep running with their outside matchup...........i think instead of watching lloyd and stating he is a stand alone timid player we should equally watch the run with outside players of other teams

these types of players are instructed to look over both shoulders twice each way prior to going anywhere a contest........to ensure they have made the right call re obtaining the ball or staying outside

an inside player rarely can be spotted with the same body language as their role is to see ball get ball........they do not approach a contest in the same way........their body language and peripheral scanning does not look the same........hence they can appear less timid

Hannes is proving the ultimate match up as he plays equal inside and outside so his opposite number has to be equally good in both areas which is a serious challenge and a great advantage for the swans

[dejavoodoo44]

I completely disagree re lloyd

he is not timid in my opinion

at a professional level each player has a very specific role

lloyds role is not to play as an inside player

he is to play outside of the contest and 110% he would be dropped from seniors if he let his outside player who he is running with get away from a contest

when u watch harryC and lloyd they continually assessing to be part of the exit from our contest or to stay close to their opposite outside player to nullify the opposition advantage if the opposition obtain the bll...........that is a huge part of their role........that is what is expected of them

when i played as an inside midfielder i never wanted my wing / outside players diving in at the contest as that was my job to farm it out to them and i expected them to be moving into space > that was their job

Exactly: Lloyd's role is to get to the outside of the packs and to provide an option for the players that are more adept at winning inside contests. This year, I've been impressed with just how many packs Lloyd does get to.

[Mountain Man]

One thing I like about Lloyd is he is on his toes and constantly edging about. I see he is always ready to sprint away (hopefully with the ball).

Some 'outside' players seem flat footed when around a contest - but rarely Lloyd

[Meg]

Thanks Auntie, your explanations are really interesting to me. While I've watched a lot of footy I've never played it, so I know I miss some of the strategic tactics happening on the field.

[Auntie.Gerald]

last point for me then i will jump off the soap box

when playing on the likes of a stephen hill or Rioli it is a true art form nullifying these guys impact on a game

watch lloyd and HarryC next time they match up............Lloyd and HarryC are constantly watching 360 degrees anticipating what the elite outside players are about to do

let hill or rioli move 3 metres away from at your peril........no matter how enticing it would be to dive in and win the ball at a nearby contest.............

timid...... no........constantly calculating...... yes ...........on high alert........ yes.........doing their job.......yes !!!

personally i think the gut running these guys have to do each week to back them selves then get back on their elite opposition is brave in the endeavour and brave in the execution

PS - i think Lloyd was matching up first half out on the wing on Gibson and McMullan ? but Lloyd first qtr was creating a stack of outside and back exit options for the ball winners.........of which he didn't receive as many as he could

[stellation]

I appreciate the concept of inside and outside players and players needing to perform their roles, but whilst watching the first half of the game I did find myself thinking that Lloyd looked a little timid. I'm not particularly concerned by it, I've not really found him to be timid before (hence "abnormally").

[barry]

Norf are a hard bodied team. They have great inside mids and their outside miss are matured bodies. They exposed, or maybe went after, our weaker framed players like lloyd and mcveigh.

Lloyd is a good player that needs a preseason in the gym to improve his upper body strength to get to the next level.

[liz]

"Timid" wasn't what sprang to mind watching Lloyd, but he did seem to get buffeted out of contests quite a bit. I don't think it's a big issue. He's not in the team to win the ball on the ground in multi-player contests. We have plenty of others who can do that. At least he "goes" when it's his turn, even if it's not always effective.

[WauchopeAnalyst]

we seem to get a bigger crowd to Thursday & Friday nights - I'm thinking when we play Hawks on Thursday night 14th July the crowd size will be similar.

My only game for the year, due to local junior/senior footy with a family get together . Both teams starting to prepare for finals and should be crucial for both[emoji3]

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[Auntie.Gerald]

last one i promise as i think it is a really important measure on an outside player near a contest

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a great example of an outside player near a contest is the next few minutes after the Lindsay thomas first goal at the beginning of the 1st qtr

at the centre bounce

Llloyd is on the wing next to Gibson

North win the contest and drive it forward and quick as a flash Lloyd leaves Gibson......has 15 metres on him already to race to where the ball is dropping to the pack........tick to Lloyd in reading this play better then Gibson and tick he has spread harder then Gibson and tick he has made an extra number around the contest

Lloyd gets within a couple of metres of the contest and he is genuinely bouncing around.......almost timid?.....almost hesitant?......maybe?........or is he ready to spread hard in a millisecond ?

Hannes who has extracted the ball from the pack and lloyd has opened his body up to receive the ball while facing forward which is another tick.......Hannes doesn't quite get the ball to him........ ball spills back to Parker and Parkers get taken high....free kick parker

Lloyd has already wrapped around to the boundary a good 30m as he is sprinting forward with no Gibson to be seen two ticks !!!...........lloyd is now 40 from where he was last with Hannes and runs off the mark taken by Hewett to out number the Kangas BUT most importantly to allow a fast play forward to Heeney who grabs the ball from the contest and plays on to Buddy........tick, tick, tick boom !

but yes i would agree Lloyds body language appeared a little jumpy and hesitant back at the contest where Hannes tried to get him the ball ...........but for all the right reasons as he was the link to all this play and he had to keep moving ...........quite unbelievable actually when you watch lloyd go.........his vision is quite amazing

the 30 seconds either side of Parkers free kick we have had lloyd do about 9 things right and Gibson nil..... his opposite number....... in an outside role .......yet if we focussed on Lloyd not diving in with Hannes to win the ball we might not appreciated all the other running, linking, outnumbering he did in that 60 seconds or so !!!!

Lloyd 9 ticks and Gibson ZERO !!

[Auntie.Gerald]

"Timid" wasn't what sprang to mind watching Lloyd, but he did seem to get buffeted out of contests quite a bit. I don't think it's a big issue. He's not in the team to win the ball on the ground in multi-player contests. We have plenty of others who can do that. At least he "goes" when it's his turn, even if it's not always effective.

Liz i agree and can think of instances in the game where he was one on one near the boundary and got pushed off the ball...........i just feel that for too long on this forum we don't analyse a play like i have above that goes for 60 seconds and lloyd had 9 ticks and Gibson his opposite number had nil !!!

that is quite unbelievable

the other thing we rarely discuss on this forum is that when a player like Lloyd gets bumped off..........did he keep his feet and get to the next contest before his opposite number i.e. to create a rebound and or link for the next play for the Bloods?

that is what Horse talks about all the time........second efforts that count even more then the mistake

[Industrial Fan]

I differ here. It appears that he's been over-paid top dollars since his arrival.
Was never a fan of Barry & I've had a gut feel he'll follow in his footsteps.
e.g. looking back at the Richmond game - no Kennedy (doing the hard stuff) = no Mitchell.
Won't be sorry if he leaves - rather we invest our resources on a few genuine goers like Lloyd, Jones, etc.

the tigers game wasn't a case of no Mitchell, it was good coaching to make sure there weren't many stoppages. Tigers held the ball to stop us from organising. Aside from centre square work which is a fair bit different anyway they didn't give Mitchell a chance to influence the game.

[dimelb]

AG - six (6!) enlightening plays before Morning Tea! A great effort and most instructive. As far as this learner is concerned you can do that any time you want.

[stellation]

"Timid" wasn't what sprang to mind watching Lloyd, but he did seem to get buffeted out of contests quite a bit. I don't think it's a big issue. He's not in the team to win the ball on the ground in multi-player contests. We have plenty of others who can do that. At least he "goes" when it's his turn, even if it's not always effective.

Buffeted out of contests is a good way to put it, I don't think timid is too unkind as I thought after a little early buffeting he became overly aware of the coming pressure. He worked through it, to my eyes, and improved as the game went on.

I didn't walk away from the game dwelling on Lloyd at all, but I did think Simo's observation was perhaps worthy of some polite discussion instead of being immediately dismissed (as I'd observed something relatively similar).

[Auntie.Gerald]

i apologise if came across dismissive Stellation............. my frustration is that no one else has stood up for these types of players and acknowledge what goes on off and around the ball and either side of what people call timid body language or receiving a decent bump or tackle

I think it is unfair to say that Lloyd appeared hesitant, timid, soft what ever one wants use as a word to describe his efforts around the contest without comparing everything else he does on the field that betters their teams success to execute and link play and score goals

I would also like to throw out a challenge to anyone keen to watch the first 5mins of the first qtr of the Swans and North........

If you can find any other player that covers more ground, more opportunities to receive a pass, more links, more correct technique, more opening of space and quite simply making his opposite run with player look an embarrassment for 5mins.........then...........good luck because Lloyd had Gibson looking like he got schooled

Llloyds involvement in the linkage of play.........ie transitions out of our backline and involvement for entries into our forward line is simply fast class

just as an example:

in this 5minutes of doing 20 great things lloyd was smashed in a tackle when getting caught inside with kennedy

in this 5 minutes Lloyd looked hesitant to take the ball from Hannes when he was in close to the contest

In this 5 minutes i would argue he also had the most influence and the most involvement in the game by any player on the field of which there was 35 others