2016 trading and drafting (merged thread)

[S.S. Bleeder]

The AFL is nothing short of corrupt with quite a significant amount of incompetence thrown in for good measure. Essentially, Hawthorn conducted an illegal trade and the AFL decided to allow it because they love Hawthorn and other Vic clubs and/or it was simply too much of a pain in the arse to hold Hawthorn accountable. This is the exact reversal of our trade ban where we did nothing wrong yet were penalized.

[dejavoodoo44]

AFL Statement on Jaeger O?Meara trade | Titus O'Reily

I've got it now: it's okay to sit on the couch and eat a whole tub of ice cream, as long as you, or somebody else, plan to buy another tub, sometime in the future.
Does ice cream come in mustard and turd flavour?

[Ludwig]

During a time when Equalisation and Integrity have been the mantras of the AFL, we have seen both reach new depths under the leadership of Gillon McLaghlin. So many areas of the game seem to be manipulated to produce outcomes desired by the AFL. The draft, which has been a centrepiece of equalisation has been totally undermined by allowing players to walk out of contracts and call the shots as to where they want to play.

I have questioned the wisdom of Hawthorn's strategy in targeting 3 players, treating draft picks as having little value, just getting the players they want at any cost. If it wasn't by the rules, so what, the AFL stepped in and made it okay. And next year they clearly will do the same, because they've sold out their 1st round pick as well. It seems that they are ahead of the curve on this one.

The AFL has been quick to close any real or perceived loophole in the academy system, while allowing the draft to be undermined at the same time. It's not like nothing could be done about it. One thing would be to get rid of the pre-season draft. It's just used as an avenue for players to walk out on their clubs for no compensation. The threat of going to the PSD forces clubs to do trades for way under fair value. The Cam McCarthy case shows how a player can be worth 2 first round draft picks one year and nothing the next. The AFL is supposed to review every trade to make sure that they are above board and fair value. Can anyone honesty say this is happening?

The other pillar of equalisation, the salary cap, is being undermined by the overbidding for better players, leaving little money in the cap to go around for those players who remain. No one will trade for them, because they know the will be delisted to meet salary cap constraints, and are unlikely to find spots on other clubs at a fair salary due to the same constraints.

Why should 16 clubs have to go into this draft fearing to call out the name Sam Petrevski-Seton because rumours have it that he might be heading home in 2 years and there goes a top 10 pick down the drain? Is this draft integrity? Sure, recruiters will say they didn't call out his name because it was too difficult to pronounce, but I smell a cover up.

The game administrators know most fans are unhappy with this situation. But they also know that the fans will simply adjust as they have in other competitions that have gone down this road. We will just have conversations about player salaries rather than their abilities. Everything will be right.

[dejavoodoo44]

To be fair to the AFL they are claiming that it is a net result effect.

That is you can't trade a future pick if you've traded your future first rounder unless you trade in a pick in the same round beforehand. And the Hawks did that so it kind of makes sense. But the underlying deal that got that to happen was just so incredibly bad for Carlton, when they held all the cards and had no need to accept a dud deal, that I cannot accept this deal was transparent. That is where the media should be focussing their efforts but they've been gutlessly silent. If that was a stand alone deal with no kick back then SOS should be sacked

Yes, and that is the main thing that people were pissed off about. And it's the thing that was totally ignored in that article and that statement.

[Puppy Eyes]

Try wearing them every day.

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[Steve]

I think that Xav and the club probably had a pretty open dialogue in that Xav felt the offer was below market ..

This is what you employ a manager for - Phil Mullen has stuffed this up badly for his client.

Market value is what someone is willing to pay - our offer is the only one, so that is his value.

I think Mullen has let the Mitchell deal go to his head, and advised XR to hold out, they'll offer more, they have spare money with Mitchell leaving etc etc.

Unlike Mitchell, there was no other deal to leverage, so they've concocted the COL issue to justify asking for more money.

Maybe it's vindictive, but I can't see why on earth we'd pay any more than minimum wage for him now - save all we can for other future signings.

He can fire his manager and at least save on paying a commission - he can't do any worse negotiating his own contract.

[Doctor]

I suspect that this all means that they didn't know their own rules around future picks well enough and hadn't written explanatory notes that covered them. That means that if Hawthorn or Carlton challenged them, their interpretation could be held up as reasonable. What the AFL needed to do when they introduced future pick trading, which I like, was write comprehensive rules and notes to explain what could and couldn't be done.

[wedge.maverick]

Does anyone remember that Phil Mullen, manager of X Richards and T Mitchell, used to work for us as the Player Welfare Manager?

[Dosser]

On KB's programme on SEN this morning he was talking about Andrew Bogut's idea for the AFL. He suggests that if a player wants to be traded from a club then that is fine, but the club should have the right to trade them to the club that gives them the best deal. I think it is a great idea - the player gets to move somewhere so they can get game time, etc and the club gets fair compensation.

[tlock]

So many delisted players now. Any one worth picking up for the Swans?

[0918330512]

Which clubs are yet to finalise their delistings?

[707]

Which clubs are yet to finalise their delistings?

Swans :-)

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So many delisted players now. Any one worth picking up for the Swans?

Depth only and I think we are favouring developing our own depth.

Liz, thanks for your reply on Abe Davis, should get another year to develop (alongside his brother?)

[S.S. Bleeder]

So many delisted players now. Any one worth picking up for the Swans?

He hasn't been delisted yet, but if he does; Litherland.

[ugg]

Does anyone remember that Phil Mullen, manager of X Richards and T Mitchell, used to work for us as the Player Welfare Manager?

He definitely was. IIRC left the job to side with Barry Hall during his acrimonious split and became his manager

[Mug Punter]

The lies coming out of AFL HQ about the Hawks' trading being above board are just lying through their teeth and they betray their own website pronouncements.

Take this announcement on August 6, 2015 Future trading given go-ahead but with restrictions - AFL.com.au
Andrew Dillon says very clearly "If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selection from that same draft. But if a club keeps its future first-round selection, it can trade any of its future selections from other rounds" (my emphasis added). Absolutely no mention of netting off.

I've tried as far as I can but there must be a document somewhere that outlines this - that document will settle once and for all if this deal is illegal

As recently as THREE DAYS AGO they post on this page http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-2...fl-draft-order

Future picks

Clubs may trade future draft selections. Clubs must:

? Only trade selections from the following year's draft

? Make at least two first-round selections in each four-year period. If they don't, they will face restrictions from trading any further first-round draft picks

If a club trades a future first-round selection, it may not trade any other future selections from the same draft. However if a club retains its future first-round selection, it can trade multiple future selections from other rounds.

Hawthorn have traded their first and second round draft picks which is a blatant contravention. Gill the Dill can pompously lie through his teeth but they have bent the rules. If I can find this via google then surely the likes of Robbo can do the same