The Final Quarter / The Australian Dream (AG documentaries) and related discussion

[Mel]

Professor from University of Sydney on his take of the Goodes booing & racism in Australia in reference to the Final Quarter documentary:

Tim Soutphommasane: The Final Quarter - YouTube

Not just a Professor from USyd, but the former Race Discrim Commissioner. I've heard Tim talk a number of times and like the way he talks about racism and anti-racism in this country - BUT I've always thought he was walking a fine line as the Commissioner and was holding back in some regards. Hopefully we'll hear more of him now he's moved into Academia as he deals with less (a different) kind of red tape.

[Bloods05]

Not just a Professor from USyd, but the former Race Discrim Commissioner. I've heard Tim talk a number of times and like the way he talks about racism and anti-racism in this country - BUT I've always thought he was walking a fine line as the Commissioner and was holding back in some regards. Hopefully we'll hear more of him now he's moved into Academia as he deals with less (a different) kind of red tape.

We've seen what happens to Race Discrimination Commissioners, Human Rights Commissioners, etc. when they speak without fear or favour. It is not surprising that Tim has been more outspoken since leaving the position. The concept of truly independent public servants is, sadly, in the immortal words of Leonard Cohen, 'a shining artefact of the past'. I hope Tim has more to say about the Goodes case. This issue has a long way to run yet.

[AnnieH]

that sounds a little racist. there were no black people in positions of power to make a stand. there were plenty of white poeple who could have done something but didnt, be more angry at them.

I'm Lebanese... impossible for me to be racist.
Didn't say that you have to be in a position of "power" to say something.
Would have been wonderful if his indigenous mates stood up for him. They were probably scared that the same @@@@ will be heaped on them. Not that that's an excuse.

[royboy42]

Haters will still hate.
Nothing more tiresome to me than those who say they booed Goodes out of the game cos he staged for free kicks.
Bigotry, bigotry and hatred. Racism.

[Bloods05]

Haters will still hate.
Nothing more tiresome to me than those who say they booed Goodes out of the game cos he staged for free kicks.
Bigotry, bigotry and hatred. Racism.

There are dozens of players who stage for frees. There are dozens of players who do the odd dirty act. Some of them are indigenous, a few are Muslim, a few are black men from elsewhere. Only one has ever been booed in the way Adam was. And he just happens to be the one guy who was named Australian of the Year, and used that platform to speak eloquently and uncompromisingly about the state of race relations in Australia. Bigotry and hatred. Racism, as you say.

[barry]

I'm Lebanese... impossible for me to be racist.

Being leb only stops you from being racist to lebs.
Anyway, I don't believe you are racist, but just the way you wrote it had a slight undertone.

Didn't say that you have to be in a position of "power" to say something.
Would have been wonderful if his indigenous mates stood up for him. They were probably scared that the same @@@@ will be heaped on them. Not that that's an excuse.

They probably have the ONLY legitimate excuse.

[KTigers]

…..And he just happens to be the one guy who was named Australian of the Year, and used that platform to speak eloquently and uncompromisingly about the state of race relations in Australia.....

Yep. I reckon you hit the nail on the head. These are the things the boo-ers just couldn't handle.

[AnnieH]

Being leb only stops you from being racist to lebs.
Anyway, I don't believe you are racist, but just the way you wrote it had a slight undertone.


They probably have the ONLY legitimate excuse.

Really? Have you EVER been called a w.o.g.e? Have you ever called anyone a w.o.g.e? Have you ever been told to go back to where you come from? (I was born in Penrith - not a long drive for me.)
Unless you've been racially vilified, you have no experience with which to draw your opinion.
Undertone of what?? If you knew me, you wouldn't say that. I'm probably the biggest supporter of closing the gap this place has.
If you haven't noticed, I tend to call a spade, a spade. Not ONE indigenous player, other than Lewis Jetta, stood up and said ANYTHING about the racial vilification of Adam Goodes. Not one.
This is very disappointing. I'm sure if someone started booing Majak Daw, because he's black and Sudanese (which, no one has done, by the way), I'm pretty SURE that Aliir and others will make some noise about it. This is my point.
As I've said a million times... booing is OK in this game - sometimes, it's a dead-set requirement.
Adam's booing was racially motivated.
He dared to step outside of the "box" that society has put our Aboriginal people in to, and the people who like to keep them there, didn't like it.

[Bloods05]

Really? Have you EVER been called a w.o.g.e? Have you ever called anyone a w.o.g.e? Have you ever been told to go back to where you come from? (I was born in Penrith - not a long drive for me.)
Unless you've been racially vilified, you have no experience with which to draw your opinion.
Undertone of what?? If you knew me, you wouldn't say that. I'm probably the biggest supporter of closing the gap this place has.
If you haven't noticed, I tend to call a spade, a spade. Not ONE indigenous player, other than Lewis Jetta, stood up and said ANYTHING about the racial vilification of Adam Goodes. Not one.
This is very disappointing. I'm sure if someone started booing Majak Daw, because he's black and Sudanese (which, no one has done, by the way), I'm pretty SURE that Aliir and others will make some noise about it. This is my point.
As I've said a million times... booing is OK in this game - sometimes, it's a dead-set requirement.
Adam's booing was racially motivated.
He dared to step outside of the "box" that society has put our Aboriginal people in to, and the people who like to keep them there, didn't like it.

Well said Annie. Back in your box Baz.

[ScottH]

that sounds a little racist. there were no black people in positions of power to make a stand. there were plenty of white poeple who could have done something but didnt, be more angry at them.

They don't need to be in a position of power to support a colleague.
I agree with Annie, no one made a sound about it when they should have.

They could have done so much more at the time. Indigenous or not.

[Meg]

Another (new) gobsmacked reaction to ‘The Final Quarter’ - this time by Peter FitzSimons.

‘There is no way around it when you see the doco. Goodes was simply hunted out of the game. And to witness his treatment sheer takes the breath away.’

‘The Swans club, players and fans come out of the whole thing wonderfully well, absolutely resolute in their support for him.’

Some of us have tickets to see this film, starting from Friday night.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/no-quarter-given-in-extraordinary-adam-goodes-documentary-20190605-p51uwo.html?btis

[stevoswan]

Really? Have you EVER been called a w.o.g.e? Have you ever called anyone a w.o.g.e? Have you ever been told to go back to where you come from? (I was born in Penrith - not a long drive for me.)
Unless you've been racially vilified, you have no experience with which to draw your opinion.
Undertone of what?? If you knew me, you wouldn't say that. I'm probably the biggest supporter of closing the gap this place has.
If you haven't noticed, I tend to call a spade, a spade. Not ONE indigenous player, other than Lewis Jetta, stood up and said ANYTHING about the racial vilification of Adam Goodes. Not one.
This is very disappointing. I'm sure if someone started booing Majak Daw, because he's black and Sudanese (which, no one has done, by the way), I'm pretty SURE that Aliir and others will make some noise about it. This is my point.
As I've said a million times... booing is OK in this game - sometimes, it's a dead-set requirement.
Adam's booing was racially motivated.
He dared to step outside of the "box" that society has put our Aboriginal people in to, and the people who like to keep them there, didn't like it.

+1 .....well said.

[Hotpotato]

Is The Final Quarter only being shown 4 times at the Film Festival?

[MattW]

Not just a Professor from USyd, but the former Race Discrim Commissioner. I've heard Tim talk a number of times and like the way he talks about racism and anti-racism in this country - BUT I've always thought he was walking a fine line as the Commissioner and was holding back in some regards. Hopefully we'll hear more of him now he's moved into Academia as he deals with less (a different) kind of red tape.

I feel he's definitely become more strident since ceasing that role.

[Meg]

Is The Final Quarter only being shown 4 times at the Film Festival?

Yes. The opening night (this Friday) is sold out but there are some tickets still available for the other three sessions.

The Final Quarter — Sydney Film Festival

According to the Peter FitzSimons article I posted earlier, the film will be shown on FTA TV some time in the future.