2017 trading, drafting, list management

[707]

Some decent KPFs taken late out of current players. I'm sure others can supply other examples from times gone by:

Ben Brown pick 47, 2013
Josh Jenkins pick 12, 2010 rookie draft
Justin Westhoff, pick 71 2006
Taylor Walker, pick 75 2007 (but some shenanigans here as he was a zone selection I think)

Maybe he can be turned into a KPD as much as a KPF. He's bigger than Melican or Maibaum and also quicker and more agile.

Think the sparse list you posted actually defeats your assumption that decent KPF can be taken late. Brown is a surprise packet drafted as a ruck from memory, Jenkins you can discount as he was a project basketball convert, Westhoff is hardly KP and Walker is indeed a shenanigans pick tied to Crows through the old Scholarship scheme.

If you think how many KPF have been tried from late in the draft over the last decade, that's an absolute piddle poor strike rate. As I said in my previous post, Only draft a KPF if you are using a high pick.

[caj23]

The way the game is heading why bother drafting a KPF at all? Just draft best available mids/utilities

Tiges won with Reiwoldt playing solo and the Dogs with Zaine Cordy and Tom Boyd (who despite his high draft status is an ordinary forward)

[Ludwig]

The true KPF has gone from game. A lot to clubs ended up taking a few in recent years with high draft picks without understanding the changing landscape. But that doesn't mean that tall forwards are gone from the game. Athletic talls like Joe Daniher and Jeremy Cameron are more in the mould of the modern forward. Buddy Franklin is a freak, so it's not fair to use him as the model forward, but Sam Reid fits into the mix with his ability to play several positions. Someone like Barry Hall would still be a star, because he wasn't only strong, but also very athletic.

Multi-position tall utilities like Brander and Balta are very handy players to have on a team list. Tall players will still be part of the game, but they will be more athletic than in the past.

[Legs Akimbo]

A fantastic post last year on BF by Swansfan 51 who put a heap of research into what type of players are hardest to find in the draft. A basic summary was
No.1 KPF
No.2 Daylight
No.3 Mids

He had a list of all the significant KPF over about the last 12 or so years and all of them were high draft picks except for the ones drafted by Shenanigans like F/S, Zone selections, GC & GWS start up concessions etc. There were almost none outside the first round.

KPD however seemed to be picked up anywhere from mid draft to rookies. If you go through the best KPD, it's amazing how many were late draftees as opposed to the absolute dearth of KPF mid to late.

So the rock solid evidence is only draft KPF if you have a high draft pick, KPD & ruckman can be had cheap to very cheap, probably why clubs take best available early and why KPF command so much salary.

Flipsidr is that the cost of failure for crappy rnd 1 kpf is high given alternative is a premium mid. I give you paddy mccartin.

[S.S. Bleeder]

I don't think you can seriously expect a Key forward at pick 51. I'd concentrate on the first two and worry about a key forward next year.

Absolutely. If we are getting Blakey next year there is no need for another KPD in this years draft, especially one that is at the tail end of the draft.

[S.S. Bleeder]

The way the game is heading why bother drafting a KPF at all? Just draft best available mids/utilities

Tiges won with Reiwoldt playing solo and the Dogs with Zaine Cordy and Tom Boyd (who despite his high draft status is an ordinary forward)

KPFs still have a place provided they; 1) are mobile, and 2) apply defensive pressure.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Josh Kennedy WA
Pick 4 draft 2005

[liz]

Josh Kennedy WA
Pick 4 draft 2005

What is this comment relevant to?

[707]

Josh Kennedy WA
Pick 4 draft 2005

Not sure what this post means but I'll raise you pick 5 draft 2004 Lance Franklin

[Auntie.Gerald]

Apologies
Off topic
Just weighing into the top pick used for FFs

[ugg]

O?Riordan promoted to the senior list. I always thought that likely rather than us picking with draft pick 88 in the national draft or signing a delisted free agent

[bloodspirit]

Great news! Doesn't appear to be on the Swans' site yet. How do you know?

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I wonder if Murray would have been upgraded instead if he hadn't left.

[707]

O?Riordan promoted to the senior list. I always thought that likely rather than us picking with draft pick 88 in the national draft or signing a delisted free agent

Agree, we were never going to be using a fourth pick at the draft, sensible promotion. We all hope that O'Riordan can push up this year, his dash off half back would fill a need.

Bloodspirit, how can you question Ugg? He that knows all on these matters!

[ugg]

I got it from Champion Data's Fantasy Freako Twitter account. You're right in that it doesn't seem to have been reported anywhere else so I hope they are right.

Swans have promoted Colin O'Riordan onto their senior list for 2018. Potential #cashcow. #2018AFLProspectus

— Fantasy Freako (@FantasyFreako) November 9, 2017

[Ludwig]

I wonder if Murray would have been upgraded instead if he hadn't left.

I've always thought that COR was more AFL ready than Murray, despite Murray making significant progress this year and COR flattening out. Maybe Murray will play senior footy for Collingwood, but he was far from senior footy for us. O'Riordan is physically ready to play now, but needs a good pre-season adjusting to the flow of the game.

So we're out of CAT B rookies now. I wonder what our plans are this year. I'm still baffled by dropping Fisher.

It's not such a bad year to start the draft at pick 14. It's a pretty flat draft through the first round, meaning that there's not such a great difference between the top half of the round and the bottom half. The points value system, contrived to deprive the Swans of draft picks 2 years ago, is exposed this year. There's no way pick 3 is worth 2 pick 14s. The Giants are sitting in a good spot with pick 11 and picks 27 and 28. The second round starts drifting away in the late 20s.

We should have a few good players available at pick 14. Pick 33 will be more challenging. It's not like 2013 when George Hewett was available at pick 32. But there are always a few good players that slide down the order and hopefully our recruiters have the right one at the top of list when our turn comes round.