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  • Aprilbr
    Senior Player
    • Oct 2016
    • 1803

    2017 trading, drafting, list management

    Originally posted by stevoswan
    Interesting article here: Adelaide's 2018 list is one for the ages - AFL.com.au regarding the average age of each club's list, we are middlish but what I found more interesting was the 'summary' chart at the bottom of the article with the extreme right column titled "Players from other Clubs". The overall average was 10 on each club's list are from another club. Carlton had the most at 19! Others were Adelaide 10, Geelong 10, Hawthorn 11, Port Adelaide 13, Tigers 8. The Swans.....4, the club with the least number of players from other clubs. Gee, we're bloody good!
    I was intrigued to see that stat on recycled players too! We have a history over several decades of taking players from other clubs and improving them. We seem to have largely moved away from this in recent times. Our only recycled players at present are Buddy and Kennedy (champions in anybody?s language), Sinclair (jury still out on him) and Tippett (there has been enough written about him on here so enough said).

    I suspect the low numbers of recycled players now reflects a desire by our list management team to restock through the draft. I also think it reflects to some extent our recent salary cap squeeze. A group of 6 to 10 players on good money leaving little to entice mid range players from other clubs (my theory). As an example of the latter I suspect that the Swans would have liked to add Jack Watts to the list but they just could not offer anywhere like what Port Power were able to pay (good luck to him as he is a professional footballer). Any other thoughts on the low numbers of recycled players?


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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8573

      Originally posted by Aprilbr

      I suspect the low numbers of recycled players now reflects a desire by our list management team to restock through the draft. I also think it reflects to some extent our recent salary cap squeeze. A group of 6 to 10 players on good money leaving little to entice mid range players from other clubs (my theory). As an example of the latter I suspect that the Swans would have liked to add Jack Watts to the list but they just could not offer anywhere like what Port Power were able to pay (good luck to him as he is a professional footballer). Any other thoughts on the low numbers of recycled players?


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      Besides the excellent points you have made, I think another factor is drafted players choosing to stay because they love the club.....

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      • andreww1
        Warming the Bench
        • May 2015
        • 193

        Originally posted by Aprilbr
        I was intrigued to see that stat on recycled players too! We have a history over several decades of taking players from other clubs and improving them. We seem to have largely moved away from this in recent times. Our only recycled players at present are Buddy and Kennedy (champions in anybody?s language), Sinclair (jury still out on him) and Tippett (there has been enough written about him on here so enough said).

        I suspect the low numbers of recycled players now reflects a desire by our list management team to restock through the draft. I also think it reflects to some extent our recent salary cap squeeze. A group of 6 to 10 players on good money leaving little to entice mid range players from other clubs (my theory). As an example of the latter I suspect that the Swans would have liked to add Jack Watts to the list but they just could not offer anywhere like what Port Power were able to pay (good luck to him as he is a professional footballer). Any other thoughts on the low numbers of recycled players?


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        No question that the salaries being paid to Buddy and Tippett mean that Sydney is not competitive when trying to attract players from other clubs. It is evident in the players we lost such as Mumford and Mitchell, so it works the other way as well when making an offer to a player from another club. If we win a couple of Grannies it will be a risk worth taking. But if we dont there will be lots of debate about that strategy.


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        • Auntie.Gerald
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2009
          • 6483

          Joel A

          Super happy with the project signing of Joel

          3rd in the draft running leap
          5th inthe Draft standing jump

          Great dimensions, agility and skill for a developing forward / ruckman

          196cm and probably still growing
          "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8573

            Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
            Joel A

            Super happy with the project signing of Joel

            3rd in the draft running leap
            5th inthe Draft standing jump

            Great dimensions, agility and skill for a developing forward / ruckman

            196cm and probably still growing
            His highlights reel show great potential as a mobile clever player and an accurate tap ruckman.....a good find.

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              There?s a piece devoted to him on the AFL website, including why KB is excited about him:

              Swans rookie puts Grand Final miss behind him - M.afl.com.au

              ?Beatson had seen the athletic big man win the footy at ground level and then execute a brilliant right foot snap across his body.

              That, more than anything, made Beatson sit up and take notice of what Amartey could produce if given the opportunity to ply his trade in a full-time environment...

              "I haven't seen many blokes that are 195cm-plus that have the agility to kick that type of goal," Beatson said.?

              ...

              ?Amartey will have the opportunity to work with new Swans assistant and ruck coach Dean Cox who will help mentor the youngster.

              "Dean was really impressed with his tape in the lead up to the draft," Beatson said.?

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              • mattybloods
                Warming the Bench
                • Jul 2016
                • 482

                Originally posted by mattybloods
                I wonder if Papley will take his Grandfather's number 11 now that its vacant
                Called it!

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                • wolftone57
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5861

                  Originally posted by Markwebbos
                  There?s a piece devoted to him on the AFL website, including why KB is excited about him:

                  Swans rookie puts Grand Final miss behind him - M.afl.com.au

                  ?Beatson had seen the athletic big man win the footy at ground level and then execute a brilliant right foot snap across his body.

                  That, more than anything, made Beatson sit up and take notice of what Amartey could produce if given the opportunity to ply his trade in a full-time environment...

                  "I haven't seen many blokes that are 195cm-plus that have the agility to kick that type of goal," Beatson said.?

                  ...

                  ?Amartey will have the opportunity to work with new Swans assistant and ruck coach Dean Cox who will help mentor the youngster.

                  "Dean was really impressed with his tape in the lead up to the draft," Beatson said.?

                  The highlight reel is incredible. I've never seen a kid that age tap ruck like that. He was virtually gifting his smalls with the ball and he was unpredictable.

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                  • Industrial Fan
                    Goodesgoodesgoodesgoodes!
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 3318

                    Makes sense to draft a rocks or diamonds type player - cost is minimal in draft terms and if he is a bust our list is pretty settled anyway.
                    He ate more cheese, than time allowed

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                    • Scottee
                      Senior Player
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1585

                      Natural ruck with great atheletic ability and great upside.Stoked.
                      We have them where we want them, everything is going according to plan!

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                      • 707
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6204

                        Originally posted by Scottee
                        Natural ruck with great atheletic ability and great upside.Stoked.
                        and - got him for free. A player like that is always worth a punt.

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                        • Meg
                          Go Swannies!
                          Site Admin
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4828

                          I watched Amartey?s highlights video for the first time tonight - wow! He is a really exciting pickup. Even in Ludwig?s ruck-free vision of the AFL future this young man was worth a rookie spot.

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                          • Ludwig
                            Veterans List
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 9359

                            Originally posted by Meg
                            I watched Amartey?s highlights video for the first time tonight - wow! He is a really exciting pickup. Even in Ludwig?s ruck-free vision of the AFL future this young man was worth a rookie spot.
                            Amartey is my kind of ruckman. As long as there are ruck contests written in the rules there will have to be ruckmen. The question is what kind of a player should that ruckman be? How about that guy Adam Goodes who used to play for the Swans. He went alright until he did his PCL. Last ruckman to win a Brownlow. I never complained about Adam Goodes as a ruckman.

                            In a previous post I noted that Cameron and Amartey could be our ruck division after 2020. Amartey could be a Jeff White or Paddy Ryder kind of ruckman. I wouldn't mind that. It will take 3 years to get him ready.

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                            • bloodspirit
                              Clubman
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 4448

                              Here's a worthy article about the evolving role of rucks: Ruck and role: How the position has evolved - AFL.com.au.
                              All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                              • Bloods05
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2008
                                • 1641

                                Originally posted by Meg
                                I watched Amartey?s highlights video for the first time tonight - wow! He is a really exciting pickup. Even in Ludwig?s ruck-free vision of the AFL future this young man was worth a rookie spot.
                                Where can I find the highlights video?

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