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  • MattW
    Veterans List
    • May 2011
    • 4196

    Changes for Round 12 v Bulldogs

    Shall we move on?

    In Harley's injury report today he suggested Reid, Lloyd, Naismith and Jack were fit to play. There were no 'if selected' caveats, but surely there's a question about whether the latter two should return in the seniors or the NEAFL squad.

    I think Florent should play ressies. He still lacks the confidence to impose himself on AFL games. It'd be good if he could build up a period of form in the NEAFL, rather than play a week in and a week out. Options to replace him are Jack and Dawson. Personally, even though Jack has been out for 5 weeks, if he's fit he should play. We need experience and hardness.

    The ruck slots are a toss up. There are arguments for and against all three. Personally, if Naismith is fit he should start in the centre and Tippett play forward/resting ruck. But I'd be happy with any selection.

    Finally, I'd love us to find a place for Aliir. We need his game turning ability. It feels a bit silly that he isn't playing. The issue is the 3 tall defenders deserve to be selected. It was interesting that he seemed to play a swing man role in the last NEAFL game. I'd be happy for him to replace Reid in that role. But I guess Reid isn't going to be dropped, so perhaps they could play Reid as a specialist forward and have Aliir roam. If that happened it would probably be at the expense of Hayward, but he probably deserves another game after benefiting from a break.

    After all that...

    OUT: Florent, Sinclair
    IN: Jack, Naismith
  • Markwebbos
    Veterans List
    • Jul 2016
    • 7186

    #2
    Originally posted by MattW
    Shall we move on?

    In Harley's injury report today he suggested Reid, Lloyd, Naismith and Jack were fit to play. There were no 'if selected' caveats, but surely there's a question about whether the latter two should return in the seniors or the NEAFL squad.

    I think Florent should play ressies. He still lacks the confidence to impose himself on AFL games. It'd be good if he could build up a period of form in the NEAFL, rather than play a week in and a week out. Options to replace him are Jack and Dawson. Personally, even though Jack has been out for 5 weeks, if he's fit he should play. We need experience and hardness.

    The ruck slots are a toss up. There are arguments for and against all three. Personally, if Naismith is fit he should start in the centre and Tippett play forward/resting ruck. But I'd be happy with any selection.

    Finally, I'd love us to find a place for Aliir. We need his game turning ability. It feels a bit silly that he isn't playing. The issue is the 3 tall defenders deserve to be selected. It was interesting that he seemed to play a swing man role in the last NEAFL game. I'd be happy for him to replace Reid in that role. But I guess Reid isn't going to be dropped, so perhaps they could play Reid as a specialist forward and have Aliir roam. If that happened it would probably be at the expense of Hayward, but he probably deserves another game after benefiting from a break.

    After all that...

    OUT: Florent, Sinclair
    IN: Jack, Naismith
    Agree with all of that. Jack for Florent makes sense if Jack is genuinely fit and firing, rather than needing a couple of games in the 2s to find touch.

    I'd bring in Naismith for Sinkers too but same principles apply and NEAFL might be a better option.

    I have to hope they'll only play Jack / Naismith if they are ready, but recent experience says otherwise.

    One way to get Aliir into the team (h/t Ludwig) would be by playing one ruckman (no idea who that should be, but perhaps Tippett or bust) and then use Reid as fill-in ruck and Aliir can play 7th defender in place of Reid. (Seeing as Longmire loves playing 7 back)

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8546

      #3
      Originally posted by MattW
      Shall we move on?

      Yes let's....but before we get into serious selection chat, here's some brilliant observations from the most entertaining footy journo there is, Titus O'Reilly, of last weeks round: **** Port Adelaide (98) v Hawthorn (47):"Port Adelaide were so good on Friday night they didn?t even play the second half and still won comfortably.

      The Hawks produced their worst first half ever, or their funniest, it?s all about perspective."

      ****Geelong (96) v Adelaide (74):"The one downside for Geelong was Tom Hawkins throwing a jumper punch. I can just imagine Chris Scott talking to him after the game.

      ?What was the one thing I told you not to do??

      ?You said not to jumper punch anyone.?

      ?And what did you do??

      ?I jumper punched someone.?

      ?Exactly. You didn?t see me running around punching people when I played.?
      ****Josh Kelly (117) v Essendon (101): "While the Giants are currently terrifying everyone south of the border, I?m not completely convinced. Essendon wasn't embarrassed here, and the Bombers are a long way from a top four side. Essendon fans would have left this game disappointed but happy their club is trending in the right direction. The Bombers just lacked about 20 first round draft picks." More gold from Titus.....brilliant stuff! ........Ok, I've had a few whiskeys tonight......and I thought they were good enough to share. Hope you enjoyed......

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        #4
        We played Tippett and Naismith against the Bulldogs in the GF and in Round 2 and lost both games, albeit Tippett was injured in the game which really hurt. But I think we should only play one ruckman. I would go with Tippett and hope the he's spurred on by all the negative comments made about him in the past week. I would give him a central role of having to hold down the ruck position and see if he brings a physical dominance which he is capable of.

        I thought we should have brought Aliir into the side last game and I think he must come in now. Aliir can play anywhere. He kicked 3 goals in the last NEAFL game and we know he's played in the ruck. It also gives the Bulldogs something worry about rather than the same bland Swans.

        If the medicos and coaches say Jack is fit and ready to go, then I suppose he should play. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind seeing Dawson get a game.

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        • RogueSwan
          McVeigh for Brownlow
          • Apr 2003
          • 4602

          #5
          Originally posted by Ludwig
          But I think we should only play one ruckman....
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          "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #6
            Originally posted by Ludwig
            We played Tippett and Naismith against the Bulldogs in the GF and in Round 2 and lost both games, albeit Tippett was injured in the game which really hurt. But I think we should only play one ruckman..
            I wish you'd stop flip-flopping on this one ruckman, two ruckman issue. Make up your mind man.

            The only change I'd make is:
            In: Talia
            Out: whoever the latest scapegoat is.

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #7
              Out Florent, In a fit K Jack

              Rucks? well who knows what will happen?

              Aliir? time to bring him back maybe at Sinclair's expense and ruck Tippo with Reid a chop out

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              • CureTheSane
                Carpe Noctem
                • Jan 2003
                • 5032

                #8
                Edwards?
                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                • Flying South
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Sep 2013
                  • 585

                  #9
                  Originally posted by CureTheSane
                  Edwards?
                  Once the number 11 appears in the losses column.
                  Speaking of Edwards what is his best role? HB, HF or wing?

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                  • Auntie.Gerald
                    Veterans List
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 6474

                    #10
                    Does edwards have to be upgraded ?

                    We need a player like him to be the player we need in 2018 so let's get games into him now in snrs
                    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                    • dimelb
                      pr. dim-melb; m not f
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 6889

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                      Does edwards have to be upgraded ?

                      We need a player like him to be the player we need in 2018 so let's get games into him now in snrs
                      Edwards is a rookie, but he's 23. I look forward to getting rid of the rookie category and the unnecessary grading of our players.
                      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                      • Thunder Shaker
                        Aut vincere aut mori
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 4166

                        #12
                        Originally posted by dimelb
                        Edwards is a rookie, but he's 23. I look forward to getting rid of the rookie category and the unnecessary grading of our players.
                        I, for one, will welcome our new rookie overlords.

                        Why have the rookie list at all and the unnecessary regulations governing their list management? Why not just have an expanded list and be done with it?
                        "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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                        • mattybloods
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 482

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                          I, for one, will welcome our new rookie overlords.

                          Why have the rookie list at all and the unnecessary regulations governing their list management? Why not just have an expanded list and be done with it?
                          I agree with your sentiment and your Simpson's reference

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                          • mattybloods
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Jul 2016
                            • 482

                            #14
                            As long as Lloyd and Reid are both cleared to play I would have one change in Naismith for either Tippett or Sinclair. I wonder if Tippett is carrying an injury, would explain his form. Jack was playing poorly before he went out with his hip so I would give him limited time in the NEAFL; not so much to blow the cobwebs out as to see whether his body can handle it.

                            I just don't see where they'll play Aliir in the seniors right now. I think he needs to be playing as a half back or spare in defence as he uses the ball well and is very evasive and a good mark (also good disposal efficiency at 74% this year, 82% last year). It seems the coaches only see him as a key defender though so he'll probably have to wait for Melican or Grundy to hit some poor form which is pretty unfortunate.

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              #15
                              Both Newman and Aliir can play through the midfield or forward. Newman played both positions before he became a backman, which is why he looks comfortable when he finds himself in the midfield or up forward. In fact, he may well be better suited to play on the the left wing where he can use his powerful kick to get the ball inside 50. That last kick is something we can really improve on.

                              How many times do we have to see Mills in a defensive mismatch, or Reid having to leave the forward line for need of an extra tall defender (and then finding ourselves without a forward option on the rebound), before we realise how many of these problems would be solved by just adding Aliir to the team. We would effectively gain an extra midfielder and keep our forward line structure.

                              The problem is that Longmire would have to admit that he made a mistake in how he viewed our forward line, which was to have Buddy, Reid and Tippett all playing up forward, plus a good tap ruckman, like Naismith, to feed our dominant inside mids. This was fine 4 years ago, but things change quickly in football. Rebound off halfback and forward pressure have become more important in the game now, so something has to give, which is that 3rd tall marking option. If Tippett could play at the level of a Tom Hawkins, for instance, then perhaps we could do it, with Buddy and Reid spending a lot more time in the midfield. I would imagine it was Longmire's dream that Tippett would be even better than Tom Hawkins, but it just hasn't quite come together for him.

                              I feel that Longmire will persist trying to make his dreams come true, bring in Naismith and not Aliir. Maybe Tippett will become the dominant forward of the 2nd half of the season and Longmire can have the last laugh.

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