Match Day Thread Rnd 15 V Melbourne. MCG 19.50 pm.

[mattybloods]

It would be less controversial if they scrapped the deliberate out of bounds and brought in a last-possession rule. If the player had a clean possession (including a ruck tap) and the ball goes out of bounds but not on the full from that possession, some kind of free should be paid to the opposition. But not a free kick. They should handpass the ball back into play with every other player being 10 metres away.

I think they should just say last touch is a free kick to the opposition team. That way players will really try to keep the ball in play and its an easy decision for the umpire to make. If they're unsure who had last touch then they throw it in

[Meg]

As per the law I've posted earlier there is no 'deliberate' in the current wording of the law.

[crackedactor]

I don't think that a suspension to Bugg will prevent other clubs from targeting Mills, but a strong on-field reaction from our players might.

Papley's reaction was not like the Hawthorn 'line in the sand' moment, but it may well have contributed to Bugg's poor performance that night and serve to illustrate to others that targeting one of the Swans will not be tolerated.

Teams stopped potting the Hawks when they realised they were up for any physical challenge. An understanding of the Swans resolve might help do the same.


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Papley's bump caused a turnover which was disgusting decision again by a Victorian based umpire. Which is worse? punching a guy into a state of concussion or giving a guy a gentle bump, which he easily falls backwards. Obviously the bump was worse!!

[jono2707]

I was gonna post my belief that the Rohan deliberate OOB decision was simply an umpire error but I wont bother as it'll probably just create more angst and more posts. I read everything on here but don't post often these days.

[Industrial Fan]

But you just did Jono ????

I don't think that Rohan intended to kick it out. An empty 50 for him to run onto. The first concern seemed to take the ball away from his opponent which ended up with the ball OOB.

Very different from the defenders long kick up the boundary and also some of the others we've seen paid against forwards trying to put it out of play in their F50

[Nico]

On another topic relating to the game, why is Callum Mills being targeted so much? Does he mouth off and unduly annoy his opponents or is he just subject to bullying by the big 'he men'?

Probably because he is smaller and they can't match him for courage one on one. I have no doubt Bugg was put on Mills to try to upset him. The way Melbourne is playing (supposedly tough) then it has to be a directive from the head coach. Goodwin has been quoted as saying he will be judged outside the club, but the club will get around him. When I watched the replay I specifically looked for Bugg to see what he did after the incident. He didn't want to go near he footy. In other words he dogged it for the rest of the game. Bugg would never had tried to do that to a man of much bigger stature; read coward, because it was a coward's punch.

I should add that if it was one of our players who did the dog act then I would be happy to cop his right whack, and lose whatever respect that people had towards him. When I saw Barry Hall hit Staker my immediate call was to sack him. In the end they did. I have heard Melbourne supporters on the radio try to defend Bugg and call for a lighter sentence.

[barry]

I think they should just say last touch is a free kick to the opposition team. That way players will really try to keep the ball in play and its an easy decision for the umpire to make. If they're unsure who had last touch then they throw it in

What about last touch is a free handball to the opposition?. Much like in soccer. A free kick is too big a penalty.

[Ludwig]

For the record, Dylan Roberton of St. Kilda made a nearly identical kick as Rohan in their game v Freo. The umpire ruled differently than in the Rohan play and the ball was thrown in. Others have also picked up on this discrepancy in the umpiring. Whatever is the correct call, we can say that the umpiring is inconsistent. That much is certain.

[Industrial Fan]

Thats total BS. The converse is actually true. The AFL, umpires, commentators (excluding Carey) all agreed Rohans call was correct. Therefore the only ones debating it are the Rohan fanboi's who can somehow read his mind.

I also said the Gawn hitout should have been called a free too. Am I a gawn "troll target" too. Perhaps I'm also a "Shaw troll target" as well.
You are better than this childish BS, Industrial fan.


The "what option did he have?" is no excuse. Geelong closed down all the attractive options, but he still had options.
And even if he didnt, the boundary is not an option.

It is quite possible that Shaw did intentionally kick it out 70m from goal knowing it would be a free kick, because with 10 seconds left, it was unlikely that Geelong could get a goal being 2 kicks out from goal.
... he was almost

we agree on the Shaw one. Just because the defender didn't have a better option doesn't mean they shouldn't be penalised for putting it out of play. They invariably kick to the boundary rather than down the middle as it's safer.

I don't see the one not paid against Gawn the same way. Looked to be a miscued hit.

You'd get very little mileage from trolling Gawn and Shaw on here, so, no I wouldn't paint you as a Gawn or Shaw troll.

Painting Rohan as the villain suits your narrative. There is no reason he would have wanted the ball OOB - nothing to do with being a rabid fan. The commentators agreed it was a crap decision that showed little feel for the game.

You'd get further pushing against his lack of composure early as it set the tone of inaccuracy. If he kicked 3.0 instead of 0.3 it would likely have made a huge difference.

FWIW I think he would have been better spending time in the seconds before he came back. But if we're trying to build confidence you would get a lot more from kicking the sealer two weeks running than playing magoos.

[barry]

It is an insult that you would accuse me of mixing his selection with the OOB play. His selection is a discussion for mid week. Once he's playing, I'm hoping he does well for the team as any other player. Am I calling for his sacking this week ?

And for the record, the commentators did not agreed. One. One commentator disputed it (Carey). The rest ummed and arhhed as they do for any OOB call.

[Untamed Snark]

For the record, Dylan Roberton of St. Kilda made a nearly identical kick as Rohan in their game v Freo. The umpire ruled differently than in the Rohan play and the ball was thrown in. Others have also picked up on this discrepancy in the umpiring. Whatever is the correct call, we can say that the umpiring is inconsistent. That much is certain.

But at least they're consistent in their inconsistency

[barry]

For the record, Dylan Roberton of St. Kilda made a nearly identical kick as Rohan in their game v Freo. The umpire ruled differently than in the Rohan play and the ball was thrown in. Others have also picked up on this discrepancy in the umpiring. Whatever is the correct call, we can say that the umpiring is inconsistent. That much is certain.

There is also a big discrepancy between the start of the year and now. While I agree with the intent, its been poorly handled all round.

[mattybloods]

What about last touch is a free handball to the opposition?. Much like in soccer. A free kick is too big a penalty.

Sure could do that too. The point is there is no bias in making a call about who's ball it is. It is a big penalty but it would effect both teams equally. You'd also find the ball rarely goes OOB and the game will be higher scoring as a result of players being more inclined to stay away from the boundary

[Ludwig]

In an unprecedented ruling the AFL will take extraordinary measures to end recent thuggery in football and bypass the normal MRP and Tribunal mechanism. Thomas Bugg and Ali Fahour will have a MMA Cage Fight to determine their suspensions. The winner will receive a 2 week suspension, the loser a 10 week suspension. If they don?t fight, both will receive 7 weeks. Barry Hall will referee the fight.

The CSIRO Mathematics Department will sponsor the fight due to the Prisoners Dilemma implications.

The fight will be held as a curtain raiser to Sunday?s Carton v Melbourne clash, which was not expected to draw a big crowd.

AFL Chief Gillon McLaughlin said: This could be a big money spinner, and it?s not revenue included in the new CBA, so all the proceeds can go to executive salaries. But that?s secondary. We know Melbourne football fans hate seeing violence in sport, so having this pre-match fight will cause such disgust we expect incidents that we have recently seen during games gone for good.

[AnnieH]

As an aside...
When I was watching the replay yesterday, I couldn't help but notice that every time Zac Jones has the ball in his hand, he puts his arms straight out in front of him and runs. Others, like Kizza, for instance, tuck it under their arm and go for a dash.
Maybe it's so he can kick the ball easier, but it is fun to watch.

WB Ludwig.