Swans vs Giants - general match discussion

[Markwebbos]

We give them their only full house of the season. That's OUR money in THEIR pockets.
In an ideal world, NO swans members would attend this game... not even the cheer squad.
Instead, everyone should support OUR club by buying merchandise from the SwanShop.
It's a win-win situation.
OUR club get the monetary support, AND the AFL get pissed off at us (and fabricate another fine).

Get behind me on this one.

You are saying not one Swans supporter should travel to any away games?

Disagree.

Surely supporting your club is NOT simply financial but just as much about on ground support during matches.

On your logic Swans supporters shouldn't go to home games either, rather spend the money they'd spend on merchandise at the Swans shop.

Why would we want to p1ss off the AFL?

[AnnieH]

You are saying not one Swans supporter should travel to any away games?

Disagree.

Surely supporting your club is NOT simply financial but just as much about on ground support during matches.

On your logic Swans supporters shouldn't go to home games either, rather spend the money they'd spend on merchandise at the Swans shop.

Why would we want to p1ss off the AFL?

Not to ANY away game... just this one.
GW$ can go to hell in a hand basket. They get no support from me financially.
The AFL would die if no swans fans turned up... what can they do about it? Nothing.

[Hotpotato]

My fam reckon I'd go to the opening of an envelope, so I'm definitely there !
Pity I won't have anyone to kick to kick with ....
maybe Leon.
I like having the Giants around .... keeps the Swans on their toes for sure.

[Boddo]

Not to ANY away game... just this one.
GW$ can go to hell in a hand basket. They get no support from me financially.
The AFL would die if no swans fans turned up... what can they do about it? Nothing.

Why do you hate them offield so much? An extra Sydney side enlarges the tv rights which flows to us,an extra Sydney side gives the game a bigger presence in Sydney which benefits us, an extra Sydney side increases participation in the game which benefits Sydney, an extra Sydney side gives the northern clubs extra say in the running of the game which benefits Sydney. On field fair enough I'm with you 110% but off field it makes no sense whatsoever to talk like that.

[AnnieH]

Why do you hate them offield so much? An extra Sydney side enlarges the tv rights which flows to us,an extra Sydney side gives the game a bigger presence in Sydney which benefits us, an extra Sydney side increases participation in the game which benefits Sydney, an extra Sydney side gives the northern clubs extra say in the running of the game which benefits Sydney. On field fair enough I'm with you 110% but off field it makes no sense whatsoever to talk like that.

Sorry, I can't see the benefit to US of having two teams in Sydney. If anything, your "perceived benefit" takes money out of our coffers.
At the end of the day, it's all about money.
If GW$ play games at the showground, the money they generate goes to them. How does this benefit us?
You're pulling a very long bow regarding the TV rights benefitting US. Do your arms hurt?
You either follow Sydney or GW$ (or you have the idiots who follow both - WTF?) ... a bigger AFL presence in Sydney does not equate to a benefit for US.
I make plenty of sense. You just can't see it.

[KTigers]

Agree. Surely a second team is good for footy, not just the AFL, but the code generally in Sydney and in NSW.
The pie is just bigger, and even the players and clubs in the southern states benefit from this financially.
Ironically, part of the reason a North Melbourne or a St Kilda can offer millions of dollars to Josh Kelly, or
we can do the same with Buddy is as a result of the additional money coming into the game because of the new
teams in the northern states. Not everyone's interest in footy begins and ends at the Swans, or even begins and
ends with professional footy. We are just one club. There are thousands of clubs across the country.

Why do you hate them offield so much? An extra Sydney side enlarges the tv rights which flows to us,an extra Sydney side gives the game a bigger presence in Sydney which benefits us, an extra Sydney side increases participation in the game which benefits Sydney, an extra Sydney side gives the northern clubs extra say in the running of the game which benefits Sydney. On field fair enough I'm with you 110% but off field it makes no sense whatsoever to talk like that.

[barry]

By swans fans not going to games in western Sydney, be they the old home ANZ games or giant home games, just proves to the AFL needs a western Sydney team of its own.

So by boycotting, you are justifying the existence of GWS.

[Boddo]

Sorry, I can't see the benefit to US of having two teams in Sydney. If anything, your "perceived benefit" takes money out of our coffers.
At the end of the day, it's all about money.
If GW$ play games at the showground, the money they generate goes to them. How does this benefit us?
You're pulling a very long bow regarding the TV rights benefitting US. Do your arms hurt?
You either follow Sydney or GW$ (or you have the idiots who follow both - WTF?) ... a bigger AFL presence in Sydney does not equate to a benefit for US.
I make plenty of sense. You just can't see it.

Every fact & figure points to us having a larger membership, larger profits, larger crowds ffs larger everything off field since they have come. It has benefited us in a lot of ways. The tv rights benefit us as we get a larger dividend each year with larger tv rights. Does your brain hurt. Bwahaha follow GWS! Turn it up. Your logic sounds like a VFL fanboi from 1989. People like you are just like McGuire, your holding the game back. Which in turn holds our club back. I have no interest in conversing with you anymore on this topic as I can see you make no sense whatsoever.

[sprite]

Sorry, I can't see the benefit to US of having two teams in Sydney. If anything, your "perceived benefit" takes money out of our coffers.
At the end of the day, it's all about money.
If GW$ play games at the showground, the money they generate goes to them. How does this benefit us?
You're pulling a very long bow regarding the TV rights benefitting US. Do your arms hurt?
You either follow Sydney or GW$ (or you have the idiots who follow both - WTF?) ... a bigger AFL presence in Sydney does not equate to a benefit for US.
I make plenty of sense. You just can't see it.

Annie, you forget that most of the player payments come from the TV rights.

So they do benefit us, sponsorships, memberships go part of the way but do not pay all the players' wages.

[goswannies]

Sorry, I can't see the benefit to US of having two teams in Sydney. If anything, your "perceived benefit" takes money out of our coffers.
At the end of the day, it's all about money.
If GW$ play games at the showground, the money they generate goes to them. How does this benefit us?
You're pulling a very long bow regarding the TV rights benefitting US. Do your arms hurt?
You either follow Sydney or GW$ (or you have the idiots who follow both - WTF?) ... a bigger AFL presence in Sydney does not equate to a benefit for US.
I make plenty of sense. You just can't see it.

I see your point AnnieH

I mostly can't stand GW$ because they have been given ridiculous advantages from day 1. $$$$$, more first rounders than most other sides combined, zone concessions etc, stupidly funded NRL puppet recruits.
I hope their premiership never comes, but if/when it does, it won't have anywhere near the emotional meaning to their "supporters" that ours did in 2005, or the Dogs in 2016, or even the Pies in 1990, where years of hardship, & toil earned the premiership rather than having it gifted. This is just an opinion, but it's my opinion & I'm entitled to it.

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Every fact & figure points to us having a larger membership, larger profits, larger crowds ffs larger everything off field since they have come. It has benefited us in a lot of ways. The tv rights benefit us as we get a larger dividend each year with larger tv rights. Does your brain hurt. Bwahaha follow GWS! Turn it up. Your logic sounds like a VFL fanboi from 1989. People like you are just like McGuire, your holding the game back. Which in turn holds our club back. I have no interest in conversing with you anymore on this topic as I can see you make no sense whatsoever.

A fair few if your larger facts and figures also coincide with the arrival of Buddy (ie membership, attendance, merchandise sales ... profits)

[Swansongster]

IN MELBOURNE, A HOME GROUND IS AN AWAY GROUND IN MOST CASES !!!

But, similar to Sydney, if your membership level is for every "home" game, you will have to get on line and book tickets for the "away" games (there are anomalies to this if you have, say, an MCC membership or an AFL membership add-on). Many members of Melbourne-based clubs don't bother to go to "away" games when they are being played in Melbourne.

If Carlton play Collingwood twice a year (which they generally do), there will always be far more black and white fans at the Collingwood "home" game than there would be at the Carlton "home" game (and vice-versa).

When your team is gong well, you are more likely to want and go and see additional games to the "home" games that come with your membership.

It's the same with Sydney games. We are going well at the moment, so I think we can expect a significant number of fans to buy tickets for this away game and I know plenty of Swans supporters have also bought GWS memberships to see more football because for some too much footy is never enough.

I'm in Sydney again this weekend after taking the family to SCG last weekend but we are not going to Homebush. We'll watch it on telly in front of a raging fire (at Grandma and Grandpa's) and save the $250-plus dollars (and most of the day) it would have taken to go to an away game. But I am expecting to see plenty of red and white on the screen.

[goswannies]

Annie, you forget that most of the player payments come from the TV rights.

So they do benefit us, sponsorships, memberships go part of the way but do not pay all the players' wages.

I don't think AnnieH would have forgotten this. She just also remembers that there are 17 other clubs that contribute to the TV rights not just GW$ ... and I would guess (with no stats to back it up) that GW$ would contribute to less than 1/18th of the overall viewership).

[Hotpotato]

It's like going to a game in the bush . Your close up.
I went last year to the Dogs v Giants ...
Bloody marvellous game.

[AnnieH]

Thanks goswannies... you are indeed correct.

I just spent $50 at the SwanShop.
That's called supporting your team.

If the rest of you want to go ahead and put money in THEIR pockets, go right ahead.
Just remember, you're really not supporting "your club" at all. None of your $$s go to the swans.

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We had the same discussion last year, and all the naysayers came up with the same @@@@ty arguments.

You really need to take a deep breath and get over the fact I won't financially support the bogans. I don't care how many games they want to play at stopless.

[Boddo]

I see your point AnnieH

I mostly can't stand GW$ because they have been given ridiculous advantages from day 1. $$$$$, more first rounders than most other sides combined, zone concessions etc, stupidly funded NRL puppet recruits.
I hope their premiership never comes, but if/when it does, it won't have anywhere near the emotional meaning to their "supporters" that ours did in 2005, or the Dogs in 2016, or even the Pies in 1990, where years of hardship, & toil earned the premiership rather than having it gifted. This is just an opinion, but it's my opinion & I'm entitled to it.

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A fair few if your larger facts and figures also coincide with the arrival of Buddy (ie membership, attendance, merchandise sales ... profits)

So you conveniently leave this part out of the discussion out "an extra Sydney side gives the game a bigger presence in Sydney which benefits us, an extra Sydney side increases participation in the game which benefits Sydney, an extra Sydney side gives the northern clubs extra say in the running of the game which benefits Sydney"

And you cannot seriously think every increase in the facts & figures can be attributed to the recruiting of Franklin.

Their advantages were rediculous but you can't complain, every club including Sydney voted for them. On field I hate GWS with a passion but I can see the advantages it brings us. I honestly couldn't give a flying f...k if they won a premiership or not. I've always had a bigger hatred of the bravedogs. Leaching, welfare bludging club.