Swans vs Saints match discussion

[Doctor]

Parochial pantomime style booing is fine. Personal, offensive stuff is not. It's very easy to tell the difference. For example, Tom Lynch lined up for his 3rd or 4th of the first quarter a fortnight ago in front of me. He copped some booing and general good-natured stuff to put him off his kick, but once it left his boot he was quietly praised for how perfect a kick it was. Exactly as it should be.

[Club 80]

I think it's as simple as this.

If Adam Goodes was your guest at the football and sat in your row, would you dare boo an official or opposition player? Could you bare Adam turning his head and looking your way as you continue your booing behaviour?

There is no distinction with booing because it's classless and unacceptable behaviour.

[Legs Akimbo]

After the booing that happened to Adam Goodes, booing should never happen at the AFL.

It hurt Adam Goodes, why does it not hurt other players or officials?

I guess the people on here, some who joke about booing champions like Nick Riewoldt, only care about the booing when it happens to a Swans player.

Adam Goodes wanted the booing to stop. You should respect him by not booing any opposition players or officials.

Why can't you be like a pleasant Golf or Tennis crowd? They are just as emotionally involved as a football fan.

Adam Goodes was booed by closet racists because he is a proud indigenous Australian who took a stand for his people.

Hopefully you can see this is different to a player being bood because they do something violent of unsportsperson like.

Personally, I've always felt booing is childish as opposed to cheering and supporting which shows encouragement and can actually fire up our team.

[0918330512]

I think it's as simple as this.

There is no distinction with booing because it's classless and unacceptable behaviour.

I agree, it is simple ... as in you have over simplified the situation

If Adam Goodes was your guest at the football and sat in your row, would you dare boo an official or opposition player? Could you bare Adam turning his head and looking your way as you continue your booing behaviour?

I personally don't boo. It's not In my nature. But I f people around me boo in the aggressive, antagonistic manner toward any player or official, in the same vain that they did against Goodsey, I have & would call them out. To me that boorish behaviour borders on workplace bullying and is not acceptable.

However, if they are booing to put someone off having a set shot, or expressing displeasure at an umpires call (even if I think the umpire is correct and the supporter is wrong) I would not call them out. Matt80, how do you suggest people express dissatisfaction with a umpiring decision? The onfield action that resulted in the umpire's call is subject to interpretation by the umpire (therefore will be subject to interpretation by supporters too. It would be a very quiet stadium if people didn't express both pleasure and displeasure. And supporters are entitled to an opinion and should have some way to express it.

I do find it ironic that you are happy to tell others how they should think, act and behave yet when people express that they are a little weary of your expression & your opinions you feel that you are harshly treated.

[707]

Swans vs Saints match discussion - hmmm, doesn't look like it to me. I know booing is an exciting subject but isn't there a very important game on tonight?

Last two meetings between the above sides were very close up to half time before we pulled away in the second half, Really want us to turn up from the opening bounce given the stunning first half by the Saints against Richmond a fortnight ago.

[Markwebbos]

Swans vs Saints match discussion - hmmm, doesn't look like it to me. I know booing is an exciting subject but isn't there a very important game on tonight?

Last two meetings between the above sides were very close up to half time before we pulled away in the second half, Really want us to turn up from the opening bounce given the stunning first half by the Saints against Richmond a fortnight ago.

There was a time (like last year) when the Swans were brilliant starters. Put it an incredible first Q and then we could enjoy a relatively stress free game. We almost did it against Melbourne... just didn't kick straight.

I could handle 7 goals plus first Q from the Swans tonight.

[Thunder Shaker]

Besides, there is no booing when a questionable decision goes the Swans way.

Yes there is, at just about every away game.

Parochial pantomime style booing is fine. Personal, offensive stuff is not. It's very easy to tell the difference. For example, Tom Lynch lined up for his 3rd or 4th of the first quarter a fortnight ago in front of me. He copped some booing and general good-natured stuff to put him off his kick, but once it left his boot he was quietly praised for how perfect a kick it was. Exactly as it should be.

I agree. I won't boo opposition players just because it's trendy to boo them. Goodes wasn't the only player who got booed, there were plenty who played for other clubs as well who got booed whenever they touched the ball. I never saw the point.

However, I would make an exception if some opposition player had committed a blatant reportable offence earlier in the game (eg: Bugg against Mills). Under such circumstances, I would rather hear a hostile reception than silence. If the fans aren't willing to protest such misconduct against our players, why bother showing up to support the side?

[Club 80]

I think ultimately the Swans have too many players who are rested and in good form.

K.Jack, McVeigh, Rampe, Heeney, Papley, Naismith have had plenty of time out. They are now physically peaking and in great form. Their opponents will be feeling the impact of a long campaign.

Kennedy's break two weeks ago would have done him the world of good. Sam Reid gets to recharge this week.

Jones is feeling the effects of a long campaign and has been more subdued in recent weeks.

We will win due to a lot of inform players being fresher than their opponents.

[wolftone57]

I even think booing the umpires is unacceptable. I'm taking my 7 year to the SCG tomorrow and he needs to learn to respect all players and officials. Booing derails my efforts to teach my son to respect the game.

A late family member of mine was a prominent Rugby Leauge referee and referee coach. I will always respect the officials and I call on the Red and White community not to boo the umpires.

Besides, there is no booing when a questionable decision goes the Swans way.

Of course there is booing when a questionable decision goes the Swans way. The Saints fans and Cheer Squad boo. Believe me I know as the opposition Cheer Squad always sit just below me.

Now, booing the umpire is a tradition and should be honoured. The umpire is an even bigger enemy that the opposition because he/she has power over the game and can unduly influence the result of games if he/she is really bad or just has a bet on the opposition lol. When I was playing the umpires did me no favours so I do them none. Umpires and some opposition players, coaches, runners and officials are always going to be booed. It is as I say tradition. Nothing is meant by it other than to register disapproval for their actions. For instance a bad decision, a players who disrespects your players by biffing them, a runner who gets involved in the play, a coach who coaches against your team and wins all the time. Booing is a way of venting and it is unhealthy to keep pent up emotion inside. Very unhealthy for the psyche.

[liz]

Not sure that viewing umpires as "the enemy" is particularly good for the psyche either.

[wolftone57]

After the booing that happened to Adam Goodes, booing should never happen at the AFL.

It hurt Adam Goodes, why does it not hurt other players or officials?

I guess the people on here, some who joke about booing champions like Nick Riewoldt, only care about the booing when it happens to a Swans player.

Adam Goodes wanted the booing to stop. You should respect him by not booing any opposition players or officials.

Why can't you be like a pleasant Golf or Tennis crowd? They are just as emotionally involved as a football fan.

The Adam Goodes booing was systematic booing not spur of the moment booing. His booing was personal. The booing that goes on at the footy each week is generally not systematic personal assault, it is spur of the moment incidental booing. It is not personal in nature. If Swans crowds started booing a player on a personal level then I would give up going to footy. But booing an incident involving the player, umpire, official because they are a plonker or an evil little bugger is ok as far as I'm concerned. What was done to Goodsie was none of those things it was racist in nature and a highly personal assault.

I notice you quote the most boring games in the world who's crowds are either dead or brain dead after the first set or third hole. Both sports lack emotion and bore me to death. Our sport is a highly emotive game and with emotion comes behavior that may not be acceptable in Eastern Suburbs, North shore, Rose Bay, Woolahra, Wimbledon, Royal Sydney etc. But mate we are true blue Aussies not British Public School Boys. Get over it, footy crowds world wide boo and that's that.

[wolftone57]

There was a time (like last year) when the Swans were brilliant starters. Put it an incredible first Q and then we could enjoy a relatively stress free game. We almost did it against Melbourne... just didn't kick straight.

I could handle 7 goals plus first Q from the Swans tonight.

We also faded in the last quarter and got beaten in a GF. Just a thought. I'd rather a four quarter performance than a two and a half thanks. It would be nice to get a good start though. A nice even 6-10 goals each quarter would do me.

[wolftone57]

Not sure that viewing umpires as "the enemy" is particularly good for the psyche either.

Look the Maggots have always been the enemy. They can be an ally or an enemy depending on their decisions. But footy fans have always viewed the umpires with distrust, much like politicians, car salesman, real estate agents etc. What else can they be? They have the power to influence games much like a politician has the power to influence the way you live. Are they always trusted to make the right decisions? Of course not. So they go from being a non entity to enemy in a millisecond. The best umpiring is when you don't notice them. That means they have done a good job. But unfortunately umpires today are so tragically bad, especially with incorrect disposal, that I cringe at many decisions let alone at the non decisions, especially incorrect disposal. The standard of umpiring is not helped by the AFL Rules committee and having to interpret rules like deliberate out of bounds, deliberate rushed behind and being told they can't police incorrect disposal because they can't see it by the CEO.

[Markwebbos]

We also faded in the last quarter and got beaten in a GF. Just a thought. I'd rather a four quarter performance than a two and a half thanks. It would be nice to get a good start though. A nice even 6-10 goals each quarter would do me.

I was more thinking of the finals v Cats & Crows when we didn't fade away.

[Blood Fever]

I was more thinking of the finals v Cats & Crows when we didn't fade away.

Cats vulnerable to fierce pressure. Showed last light. We monstered them in prelim last year. We had some sore boys in GF plus Doggies had huge support like us in 2005. If we make finals and have a week off beforehand, we can beat anyone if we are healthy and bring the pressure.