Match Day Thread Rnd 20. Geelong V Sydney. Simonds Stadium 19.50 pm.

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  • Swansongster
    Senior Player
    • Sep 2008
    • 1264

    Originally posted by 707
    Both Duncan and Merrett wound up the punch, Hodge just "steel armed".

    Good to see the AFL holding firm, any punch will now draw a penalty, whenever you pin the arms and a player hits his head there will be consequences.
    Both good developments. Punching of any kind is not on. I wonder how they would now call Barry Hall's prelim gut punch from 2005. You'd have to think he would have been gone today.

    Also pinning the arms in itself achieves the aim of negating any handball. Absolutely no need to drive them into the ground unprotected. Police it hard, I say. These calls in recent weeks will go a long way towards eliminating that from the game and that has to be a good thing for reducing the concussion incidents which will be a legal millstone for contact sport codes (and potentially individuals) going forward.

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    • bloodspirit
      Clubman
      • Apr 2015
      • 4448

      I agree that it is good policy to outlaw punches and pinning players arms and then concussing them. And I agree that now it the policy is law they need to consistently enforce it and it will mostly disappear - if they don't that's when problems will arise. This doesn't make the game soft it just takes it away from thuggery (in the case of jumper punches) and looks after the players (in demanding a higher duty of care towards a player whose arms are pinned).

      Interestingly, Paul Roos has come out and said he coaches his players NOT to take their opponent to ground in the tackle because, by doing so, the player will themselves go to ground and then be out of play, including if their tackle is unsuccessful and their opponent keeps their feet.
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      • Nico
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 11343

        Originally posted by bloodspirit
        I agree that it is good policy to outlaw punches and pinning players arms and then concussing them. And I agree that now it the policy is law they need to consistently enforce it and it will mostly disappear - if they don't that's when problems will arise. This doesn't make the game soft it just takes it away from thuggery (in the case of jumper punches) and looks after the players (in demanding a higher duty of care towards a player whose arms are pinned).

        Interestingly, Paul Roos has come out and said he coaches his players NOT to take their opponent to ground in the tackle because, by doing so, the player will themselves go to ground and then be out of play, including if their tackle is unsuccessful and their opponent keeps their feet.
        Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Mumford is the only Swan to be rubbed out for a dangerous tackle. Jay Schultz essentially ended Ted's career.
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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8573

          Originally posted by AnnieH

          Did the swans play at all?
          Brucey was all about Dangerfield (who wasn't playing) and Selwood. I don't think there was anyone else on (or not on) the field at all.
          Brucey @@@@s me to high heaven.
          Totally agree. That bit where Geelong got a goal after that horrific bounce that totally favoured the Geelong player and Brucey goes,"Maybe, maybe...yes, yes, yes!!!!" I nearly spewed. Fair dinkum, he was barracking for them all night......a complete douche. Post edit: Titus O'Reilly's view on this: "Geelong (61) v Sydney (107)

          This was all Matthew Kreuzer?s fault. If he hadn?t been so selfish as to go and concuss himself in that Dangerfield tackle, none of this would have happened.

          The Channel Seven commentary team were obviously devastated with Dangerfield being out, showing him in a box so often that it felt stalker-ish." Gotta love Titus!
          Last edited by stevoswan; 7 August 2017, 11:59 PM.

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          • stevoswan
            Veterans List
            • Sep 2014
            • 8573

            Originally posted by giant
            My first visit to Kardinia Park in 36 years, and very enjoyable it was. Great team effort, just harder at it all night, and taking our chances. That said, Parker was enormous.

            Excellent stadium, mostly pretty pleasant crowd (they did get a little narky with me when I suggested perhaps that the Selwoods hadn't earned their third high tackle free kick in a minute just before half time) and surprisingly clement conditions. Would do again!
            I went to the round 16 game last year and can attest to the Geelong fans behaviour, where I sat anyway (members, he he!), they were loud and passionate but largely fair and reasonable and took the defeat in pretty good grace. I was quite impressed......as for the Hawk fans I witnessed at last weeks game at the 'G, well, that was another story completely.

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            • stevoswan
              Veterans List
              • Sep 2014
              • 8573

              More to add to post 304 from Titus....."Little did Channel Seven know it would get worse, with Geelong folding like a dodgy camping chair in the first quarter and Joel Selwood injuring his ankle.

              Geelong?s medical staff patched Selwood?s ankle up and sent him back out, which seems weird given he has now been ruled out for four to six weeks.

              Oh well, I?m no doctor and I?m beginning to suspect neither are they.

              Cameron Ling managed to keep commentating in between sobs, which was a brave effort but the darkness that descended over the commentary team was palpable.

              They were so flat they even mentioned the Swans once or twice." He finishes with this gem, "An all Sydney Grand Final is still on the cards, or as I like to call it ?The End of Days.? " He is brilliant!

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              • ugg
                Can you feel it?
                Site Admin
                • Jan 2003
                • 15976

                Coaches votes make for interesting reading

                9 Parker
                6 McVeigh
                5 Duncan
                5 Hannebery
                3 Reid
                1 Menegola
                1 Papley

                Parker 5-4
                McVeigh 4-2
                Duncan 5-0 or 3-2
                Hannebery 5-0 or 3-2
                Reid 3-0
                Menegola 1-0
                Papley 1-0

                Can't imagine Scott giving Papley 1 vote after his post match comments. Also you would suspect Duncan received 5 votes from Scott and 0 from Horse rather than the other way around.
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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8573

                  Originally posted by ugg
                  Coaches votes make for interesting reading

                  9 Parker
                  6 McVeigh
                  5 Duncan
                  5 Hannebery
                  3 Reid
                  1 Menegola
                  1 Papley

                  Parker 5-4
                  McVeigh 4-2
                  Duncan 5-0 or 3-2
                  Hannebery 5-0 or 3-2
                  Reid 3-0
                  Menegola 1-0
                  Papley 1-0

                  Can't imagine Scott giving Papley 1 vote after his post match comments. Also you would suspect Duncan received 5 votes from Scott and 0 from Horse rather than the other way around.
                  If anyone gave Duncan best on ground, they are clearly deluded.........oh wait, it's Chris Scott. You may have a point.

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16786

                    Originally posted by ugg
                    Coaches votes make for interesting reading

                    9 Parker
                    6 McVeigh
                    5 Duncan
                    5 Hannebery
                    3 Reid
                    1 Menegola
                    1 Papley

                    Parker 5-4
                    McVeigh 4-2
                    Duncan 5-0 or 3-2
                    Hannebery 5-0 or 3-2
                    Reid 3-0
                    Menegola 1-0
                    Papley 1-0

                    Can't imagine Scott giving Papley 1 vote after his post match comments. Also you would suspect Duncan received 5 votes from Scott and 0 from Horse rather than the other way around.
                    I saw those votes last night and reached the same conclusion as you, including which coach was more likely to have given Duncan 5 votes. (I think it is obvious who gave Papley one vote.) It is possible, I suppose that Hanners got five from one coach and Duncan got votes from both.

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                    • Swansongster
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1264

                      Originally posted by ugg
                      Coaches votes make for interesting reading

                      9 Parker
                      6 McVeigh
                      5 Duncan
                      5 Hannebery
                      3 Reid
                      1 Menegola
                      1 Papley

                      Parker 5-4
                      McVeigh 4-2
                      Duncan 5-0 or 3-2
                      Hannebery 5-0 or 3-2
                      Reid 3-0
                      Menegola 1-0
                      Papley 1-0

                      Can't imagine Scott giving Papley 1 vote after his post match comments. Also you would suspect Duncan received 5 votes from Scott and 0 from Horse rather than the other way around.
                      It's actually a really good little maths/logical reasoning puzzle to work out the possible voting scores of each coach/player. I'm getting my kids onto it.

                      I have visions of the mighty Ugg looking forward to the scores being published each week as one would a daily sudoku.

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                      • crackedactor
                        Regular in the Side
                        • May 2012
                        • 919

                        Originally posted by Mel_C
                        What annoys me when watching the Hawkins incident is that the umpire is looking right at him when he punches Rampe and yet he didn't pay a free.

                        I actually think 2 weeks was harsh for that incident especially when you compare it to the Cotchin one. But I guess his history doesn't help.

                        And how did they classify Duncan and Merrett different to Hodge? Very confusing.



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                        Yes I noticed the ump was about 2 meters away from the Hawkins punch to Rampe and of course no free kick. It would not be so bad until you think of Heeney received free kicks against him over the last 2 weeks for a so called 'dangerous rugby tackle". Tackle to the ground is free kick , a punch to the throat is play on???

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                        • Mountain Man
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 910

                          With the (now) emphasis on dangerous tackles when the arms are pinned, the 2 Heeney tackles are certainly not dangerous free kicks

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                          • mcs
                            Travelling Swannie!!
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 8177

                            Originally posted by ugg
                            Coaches votes make for interesting reading

                            9 Parker
                            6 McVeigh
                            5 Duncan
                            5 Hannebery
                            3 Reid
                            1 Menegola
                            1 Papley

                            Parker 5-4
                            McVeigh 4-2
                            Duncan 5-0 or 3-2
                            Hannebery 5-0 or 3-2
                            Reid 3-0
                            Menegola 1-0
                            Papley 1-0

                            Can't imagine Scott giving Papley 1 vote after his post match comments. Also you would suspect Duncan received 5 votes from Scott and 0 from Horse rather than the other way around.
                            I just don't get the love in around Duncan. A good player that gets lots of the ball - yes. But the game changer many suggest he is - absolutely not in my book.
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                            • MattW
                              Veterans List
                              • May 2011
                              • 4231

                              Originally posted by liz
                              I saw those votes last night and reached the same conclusion as you, including which coach was more likely to have given Duncan 5 votes. (I think it is obvious who gave Papley one vote.) It is possible, I suppose that Hanners got five from one coach and Duncan got votes from both.
                              The prospect of Duncan receiving 5 votes is so absurd that Scott must have given Hannebery 5. Kind of surprised Papley got a vote. I thought his performance was down compared to others of late. I had Rampe and Jack at least ahead of him.

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                              • liz
                                Veteran
                                Site Admin
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 16786

                                Originally posted by mcs
                                I just don't get the love in around Duncan. A good player that gets lots of the ball - yes. But the game changer many suggest he is - absolutely not in my book.
                                I think Duncan is a pretty good player and he's had a pretty good season. If it didn't interrupt the narrative around Geelong being a two-player team, I think he'd get more recognition for how he's played this year. But I think he's had far more impact in other Geelong games this year than he did on Friday night. He got a lot of the ball and was probably their best player, but the Swans were very effective in frustrating the Cats' ball movement for most of the night, and lots of Duncan's possessions (and his team mates') consisted of short passes that got their team absolutely nowhere.

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