2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[dimelb]

Most of these trade rumour always seem to be one way. From nonvic to Vic clubs.
Is it just the natural Melbourne media bias or are non Vic teams having a hard time keeping players?

Or both.

And I can't see Horse or Harley or anyone else at the Swans telling the press what they are planning for the future, let alone the immediate future. They will continue to play a dead bat - as I think they should!

[KSAS]

I can understand the Swans side of things for maybe wanting to offload Hannebery, but he has to agree to move on, particularly to a club like St Kilda at this point in his career. If the Swans do want to offload Hannebery, why didn't they do so with Tippett? He was on bigger $$$, only showed glimpses of top form & meant we could've afforded to keep Mitchell. Maybe they did but didn't get any bites, who knows?

I'm just questioning the way the media is portraying Hannebery is holding sway whether he goes to St.Kilda, like he's an uncontracted player & we're then obliged to get a trade done if he does.

[CureTheSane]

Yep, my feeling has been that Hannebery is gone.
I've said before I'll be ok with a result either way, so I am not hoping he stays of goes, but they way this has all gone down so far indicates that it's all very on the cards and some serious talks have been had.

[Jimitron5000]

I would happily trade the 2018 version of Hannebery, but the 2016 version I would like to keep.
If we can get a trade that involves St.Kilda's first round pick we should be jumping at it. Firstly, it gives us the opportunity to get some high quality talent in to the club and secondly, it will free up salary cap space so we can keep our latest All-Australian squad member Jake Lloyd. I believe that Lloyd is far more important to the team now than Hannebery is.

[Ludwig]

So you're saying that it is not possible for Reid to be traded?
Same with Hannebery then.

Just to summarize my thoughts on the post season:

If I'm the Swans' list manager, what do I want to accomplish:

1. Get Nick Blakey without using our 1st round pick. The points from later picks will suffice.
2. So how can I best utilize the value of our 1st round pick?
3. Pick up a free agent like Gaff, Dahlhaus or Wallis.
4. Free up salary cap space to recruit a quality player, a free agent if possible.

Possible trades:

1. Sam Reid can be traded if he agrees and someone wants him. There's no indication of either. He's an injury prone player, so most clubs would shy away from offering him a bigger contract than he already has. His wife's family is from Sydney. He says he's committed not only to the club but to the city. Very unlikely to go.
2. I would look to trade Gary Rohan for a 2nd round pick.
3. Hannebery meets the criteria of being a high profile quality player, except for this year, that other clubs have already shown an interest in. His father is friends with Simon Lethlean of the Saints. The Saints have a well placed pick 4 in the draft. The Saints are desperate to improve next year and are likely to look for a short term fix than develop another player in the draft who might take years to contribute at Hannebery's level.
4. The Saints have said they have put an offer on the table for Hanners. It's been widely reported in the media.
5. The deal would involve sending Hanners to the Saints along with our 1st round pick in exchange the Saints pick #4. They may be additional later picks also coming our way, possibly a 2019 2nd round pick.
6. I don't think the deal would still have life unless there was some agreement already from all camps, including Hannebery and the Swans to seriously explore this deal.
7. End of career contracts often don't have potential premierships as a key component. I think Hanners will move back to Victoria once his playing career is over, so why not get some extra cash in the bank and start early.
8. A Hannebery trade would meet part of our trade goals for the year. The other big part would be to land a free agent. I would think that we are working behind the scenes and have had discussions with the managers of players we are interested in.

[longmile]

Does no one think we'll make a move for Steven May?

With Grundy in his twilight years and Melican always injured, he'd be an ideal inclusion

He seems to have anger issues, but look I would too if I played for the Suns

[liz]

Just to summarize my thoughts on the post season:

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You've omitted to commenting on Moore. While I am in the camp of not really understanding where he fits with our list, the rumours linking him with Sydney won't go away.

If we do trade Hanners out, I imagine that whatever we get in will be required, in part or in whole, to trade for Moore. The Pies will ask for a high first round pick or a lower first round pick and something else. Is he worth that at the trade table? I have no idea.

If the Saints have their heart set on Hanners, I can't see how they can get the trade done and still keep their first round pick. They have no decent players who they can afford to trade and have no second or third round picks either. They can use future picks but they still have limited currency. But that doesn't necessarily mean their first round pick needs to come to Sydney. They might get better value for trading it for a basket of picks from Adelaide and then passing one of those to Sydney. That pick might, in turn, be sufficient to send to the Pies for Moore, if they club is after him.

I am sceptical about the prospect of trading to the top of the draft to get another player before Blakey. It's a reasonably high risk strategy because another club could still bid for him before our first pick, knowing full well that the Swans will match. I guess it's just Gold Coast who could be in that position, with them likely to hold picks 2 and 3, but they could yet trade one or both of those out to other clubs.

[Markwebbos]

Ludwig I largely agree with you.

The bit that makes no sense to me is why the Saints would give up pick 4 for Hanners in his current form. Maybe if they can get Hanners it proves they are a “destination club” and will encourage others to join?

[Ludwig]

The Saints don't lose their first round pick, just trade down to the mid teens. Without a swap of first round pick I can't see how a deal gets done.

I wouldn't do the trade if I were STK, unless I felt certain that Hanners could get back to his best.

I didn't mention Moore because I think it's a dumb trade. It doesn't mean it won't happen.

[Markwebbos]

If you accept Cal Twomey’s view that this draft contains a #super7 (of whom Blakey is one) then Saints would be denying themselves a chance at one of the 7 to get Hanners.

[Nico]

The Saints don't lose their first round pick, just trade down to the mid teens. Without a swap of first round pick I can't see how a deal gets done.

I wouldn't do the trade if I were STK, unless I felt certain that Hanners could get back to his best.

I didn't mention Moore because I think it's a dumb trade. It doesn't mean it won't happen.

Ludwig, you forgot to mention that St Kilda is the "Party Club" and Hanners might get some attractive offers of a different kind.

[liz]

The Saints don't lose their first round pick, just trade down to the mid teens. Without a swap of first round pick I can't see how a deal gets done.

I wouldn't do the trade if I were STK, unless I felt certain that Hanners could get back to his best.

I didn't mention Moore because I think it's a dumb trade. It doesn't mean it won't happen.

I agree that Moore seems like a dumb trade but so does Hanners, for both us (unless we get a seriously good deal) and for the Saints. Our midfield is clearly the area that needs attention and the one where we don't appear to have short term answers already on our list, unless we factor in Hanners (and others) regaining their form of 2016.


In defence, we might expect improvement from the natural development of Aliir and Melican (and maybe Maibaum) as KPD prospects who have shown that they play at senior level, and from COR, Ling, Stoddart as pacy options who are unproven but seem to have something to offer.


Our forward line is still a work-in-progress but Hayward, McCartin, Ronke and Dawson (and Blakey) all have talent and just need physical maturity and experience. Even Papley is one we might expect further improvement from.


In the midfield, we might be able to eke out one more OK season from Jack but I think it's clear he's no longer capable of contributing at 2010-2016 levels. Parker and JPK are already the main players and can play better than they have this year but we can't reasonably expect them to produce more than 2016-7 levels of performance. And JPK may only have a couple of years left at his excellent level. Hewett might improve (ie he might graduate from tagger to seriously good offensive weapon) but I'm not sure we can assume that will happen. Some improvement can be expected from Heeney, Florent and maybe Mills, if he gets his chance, but we don't have a lot of midfield talent running around in the NEAFL side. We do need an injection of something into the midfield, and we need it immediately if we are a chance to capitalise on Buddy. If that isn't going to come from Hannebery recapturing his 2016 form, where is it going to come from? We can dream of a free agent arriving and fixing up our midfield but the only high quality free agent midfielder seemingly on offer this year is Gaff, and it seems to be assumed he'll either stay in Perth or move to Melbourne. Otherwise, the club needs to try and find another Kennedy, not necessarily in style, but another highly capable midfielder ready to produce now but languishing unappreciated on his club's list. They may not be free agents but could possibly be prised from their current club's list at not too high a cost. Dom Tyson maybe? Dom Sheed? Jarryd Lyon? Ellis-Yolman? All have spent some time at reserves level this year, suggesting they're a bit down the pecking order.

[Markwebbos]

I agree Liz re: our midfield woes.

I taken it as a given that if Hanners goes with our blessing there would have to be a plan to replace him with an experienced player.

Trouble is we have no idea who that player is.

[barry]

Hanners is part of our midfield woes.

Moore wants to come to Sydney. That's reason enough to take him. To be honest, I'm having doubts about allir being ready if Grundy doesn't play next year.

Midfield has henney and mills who can play there more.

[Markwebbos]

Hanners is part of our midfield woes.

Moore wants to come to Sydney. That's reason enough to take him. To be honest, I'm having doubts about allir being ready if Grundy doesn't play next year.

Midfield has henney and mills who can play there more.

I agree #Hanners18 is our biggest midfield woe. And he may never return to his earlier AA form. The fact he’s on the trade table makes me think that’s likely.