2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[ISIBIDBI]

Guys I don’t agree

What ur saying is correct only if we are still holding 26 and 33 etc

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If we use pick 26 and 33 tomorrow in a trade by wed night this week ie tomorrow then we will have 38,39,40,67 for Blakey and this rounds out to approx pick 6

if he goes at pick 5 or 4,3,2,1 then deficit

This is the point I have made ever since we got the split of new picks

Trading is not over yet

I don't see why we would cannibalise our remaining selections in the draft and just land Blakey before the 5th Round. Getting Blakey plus one or two late second round draftees is surely what we need to be doing.

[The Big Cat]

Personally, I think you are being generous.

Don't agree. Bad trades are worse than no trades at all. What is the point of clearing out Rohan and Hanneberry then trading back in players who are less valuable list cloggers? We couldn't trade our best pick because we are already assured of a gun in return. Vandenberg and Langdon both WANTED to stay at their present clubs and were only looking for alternatives IF family issues or contract issues couldn't be resolved. Duryea is less valuable that Newman, so what's the use of going hard after him. I don't think we have overtly chased a player from another club and then been beaten by anyone but the incumbent, who is always 90% sure to retain those players they WANT.

I would be disappointed if we had made trades and finished up with St Kilda or Geelong marginal or seconds players. May, McRae, Lynch, Shiel, McCartin etc were never on our radar so they can't be deemed failures.

[Vonsteinman]

Don't agree. Bad trades are worse than no trades at all. What is the point of clearing out Rohan and Hanneberry then trading back in players who are less valuable list cloggers? We couldn't trade our best pick because we are already assured of a gun in return. Vandenberg and Langdon both WANTED to stay at their present clubs and were only looking for alternatives IF family issues or contract issues couldn't be resolved. Duryea is less valuable that Newman, so what's the use of going hard after him. I don't think we have overtly chased a player from another club and then been beaten by anyone but the incumbent, who is always 90% sure to retain those players they WANT.

I would be disappointed if we had made trades and finished up with St Kilda or Geelong marginal or seconds players. May, McRae, Lynch, Shiel, McCartin etc were never on our radar so they can't be deemed failures.

Big Cat, you really should warn readers before posting an opinion like that. It’s far too logical and might serve to dissipate some of the rage that many on here like to keep burning bright!

[MattW]

Don't agree. Bad trades are worse than no trades at all. What is the point of clearing out Rohan and Hanneberry then trading back in players who are less valuable list cloggers? We couldn't trade our best pick because we are already assured of a gun in return. Vandenberg and Langdon both WANTED to stay at their present clubs and were only looking for alternatives IF family issues or contract issues couldn't be resolved. Duryea is less valuable that Newman, so what's the use of going hard after him. I don't think we have overtly chased a player from another club and then been beaten by anyone but the incumbent, who is always 90% sure to retain those players they WANT.

I would be disappointed if we had made trades and finished up with St Kilda or Geelong marginal or seconds players. May, McRae, Lynch, Shiel, McCartin etc were never on our radar so they can't be deemed failures.

Totally agree - thanks for this. We had limited cap space and limited collateral. Best result is landing what genuine targets we could and maximising draft position.

[liz]

Guys I don’t agree

What ur saying is correct only if we are still holding 26 and 33 etc

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If we use pick 26 and 33 tomorrow in a trade by wed night this week ie tomorrow then we will have 38,39,40,67 for Blakey and this rounds out to approx pick 6

if he goes at pick 5 or 4,3,2,1 then deficit

This is the point I have made ever since we got the split of new picks

Trading is not over yet

There has to be a viable trade target worthy of giving away those picks, though. And at the moment, there isn't one on the horizon. There's no point trading them away for the sake of trading them away. If we don't trade in any more experienced players, the club has a choice of retaining the fringe players still in limbo (at least publicly) - Marsh, Fox, Robinson, Maibaum, Newman - or delisting some or all of them and drafting in more young players than the minimum we have to (Blakey +1). If they go the latter route (even in part) those late second/early first third round picks will be needed.

It could be that the club is lurking, waiting for a mid range player or two to "fall out" of the big deals still waiting to happen, either because a club needs to clear some cap room, or could do with pick 26 or 33 to help them do a deal. But the player has to add value to the side and be worthy of the pick.

Teams that could yet try and clear a player include Collingwood (if the Beams trade progresses - someone like Josh Thomas could be of interest), or Essendon (with the Shiel trade still in progress, not that any players spring to mind, not ones that they're likely to relinquish).


I understand people's frustrations that the club doesn't look like achieving the goals it stated. But it is often hard to shake players loose from their existing clubs. We've lost almost no-one in the last few years that the club didn't seem comfortable with losing (regardless of whether posters on here agree with the club's position). Good players generally stay at well run, successful clubs.

[Plugger46]

Agree TBC. We wanted Moore and Langdon. They didn’t come. No point in just going for the next ones on the pile and bringing in players for the sake of it.

[Markwebbos]

I think we all suffer from FOMO during trade week. I can remember being gutted we didn’t go after Colin Sylvia amongst others. It’s still disappointing not to be playing with the other kids at the Trade week party.

With live trading of picks ... how late can the club decide to delist players? After the draft?

Say Swans go into the draft with our current hand and a pick comes late for Blakey.

Could we then decide to draft 5 players and delist to make space. Whereas if a bid comes early we may only take 2-3 in the draft.

Can we adjust our list during the draft

[707]

We've strengthened our draft hand and moved on two players most on here didn't have as best 22 players and freed up a shed load of cap space. I'm not fretting about not getting some more fringe players.

What we've done is IMO a strategic re-positioning of the list for the medium term, playing the long game I reckon.

Hawks have been involved in a couple of smelly deals, Scully in particular, a heap of teams would have taken him for a better return than a pick GWS probably won't use. GWS must have badly stuffed their cap, who's to blame? They're really on the treadmill of diminishing returns now.

[liz]

I think we all suffer from FOMO during trade week. I can remember being gutted we didn’t go after Colin Sylvia amongst others. It’s still disappointing not to be playing with the other kids at the Trade week party.

With live trading of picks ... how late can the club decide to delist players? After the draft?

Say Swans go into the draft with our current hand and a pick comes late for Blakey.

Could we then decide to draft 5 players and delist to make space. Whereas if a bid comes early we may only take 2-3 in the draft.

Can we adjust our list during the draft

The short answer is no. There's a list lodgement deadline before the draft. But given that the club has run with a list of 38 in the past, it has some flexibility to draft more players than it intends to (assuming it enters the draft with an intention to keep the list at 38).

I think you can technically delist a player after the ND but it's generally not done. I guess it's pretty poor form not to be upfront with players and allow them the best opportunity to shop themselves around as DFAs or to nominate for the draft. And nowadays there are only a few days between the ND and the pre-season/rookie drafts anyway.

[liz]

Anyone feeling envious of Hawthorn's recruitment of Scrimshaw at a bargain basement price should have a read of this.

Bargain or bust? Question marks over new Hawk - AFL.com.au

Not the fairly strange comparisons to Pendlebury (for someone who's played so little senior football) but more for observations like this:

Gold Coast teammates aired their disappointment on one occasion when instead of engaging in what was supposed to be an educational viewing experience at an AFL match, Scrimshaw played games on his phone.

I've watched a good handful of NEAFL games against the Suns over the last two years and I'd struggle to think of one occasion when I noticed Scrimshaw (and I know he played in at least some of those games).

Good luck to the guy. Hope a change of scene helps things click for him, but I won't be holding my breath.

[Auntie.Gerald]

I think the issue for me is non alignment to what was explained to Media / supporters

Harley defined key areas that we needed and given we have 24hrs left I’m not sold that is zero is happening

We can go to the players we want re medicals they don’t have to come to us

So this can escape the media

Our targets as described by Harley in this trade period to help our 22 for 2019

mid gut running.....remedy was R.clarke to replace hannes

Outside run - nil

And a key position player - nil

We seriously considered 4 players and some with medicals

Duryea
vandenberg
Moore
Langdon

Harley articulated that Langdon would free up run and midfield depth in Jones and mills so this was a fairly important addition to our 22

So what is plan B

Plan A was not achieved

2019 has specific areas to be addressed and they have not so far been met......will they be delivered by tomorrow

Maybe ?

The downside is frustrating though because we do need the areas described above and an improving list to compete with other teams like hawks, kangas, bombers etc improving quite a bit indeed

[stevoswan]

They'd also have invented the espresso machine before the wheel.

Careful.....some of us south of the border barrack for the Swans......but you're right, coffee is our thing! We have one of the best roasters in the state, no, the entire country, right here in Castlemaine!

[Auntie.Gerald]

Kade Kolodjashnij is one we haven’t talked about and meets our needs ?

190cm silky left footer HBF on transition and still available for a pick 26 or 33 easily if not later I would think

Like a Malceski and faster outside run

He is finally clear of all his physical issues and played brilliantly vs the swans

Melbourne demons wants him ......and why would they not? ........he is a best 22 improver at full health

Demons are juggling massively their recruits etc .......but we have cap space and picks that would be enticing vs demons

Kade Kolodjashnij - goldcoastfc.com.au

https://youtu.be/iSxXIq5HZoE

[Ludwig]

If things remain as they are now, I would be a bit disappointed in not recruiting either Langdon or vandenBerg, but both preferred to stay with their clubs and you can't blame them for that. I'm thankful that Jake Lloyd also preferred to stay with his club as well. Better to have all three stay than all three switch. Jake Lloyd would have had his problems at Gold Coast anyway. He would have had to give up the coveted number 44 jumper as Gold Coast have so few players left that their jumper numbers only go up to #9.

So it looks as though we will just go to the draft, get Blakey and a couple of late 2nd rounders instead of Langdon and vandenBerg. Maybe it will turn out for the best.

We still have some good options to replace Mills and Jones in defence. COR will definitely become a regular in the senior side. I can see Blakey taking on Mills' role. His height will be a real advantage. I like us with a tall and agile defence, which we will have with Melican, Allir, Blakey, Rampe, COR and Lloyd. Ling and Stoddart will have to start somewhere as well, either in defence or the wing. And for next year, we still have Macca, Smith and Reg. We can still look to fill the gaps in next year's post season.

[Markwebbos]

Scrimshaw may be a high draft pick but so was Jonathan O'Rourke and that didn't turn out so well. Maybe the Hawks look at trading low for a high draft pick in the same way that clubs must look at drafting. It's a numbers game. Not everyone you bring into the club is going to work out, but if you hit the target %age then you are ahead.

Steven May is noticeable by the lack of restrictions he's placed on GCS. Credit to him for that at least. I do think if players request to break contracts on the grounds of the "go home factor" that the incumbent club should have some opportunity to get the best deal possible. Either that or it's determined by a third party. Maybe not. I can imagine how transparent and objective that would (not) be.

I like the idea of tearing up contracts and making "go home" players like free agents, except their new clubs have to pay whatever is deemed to be fair for them in the same way a club would match an academy or f/s bid, but without a discount.

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That's probably a ridiculous idea!