2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Melbourne_Blood]

We simply need to trade out that pick 26 to anyone who will give us something for it before Wednesday. In order of preference;
A) a medium-tall defender
B) pick 26 next year
C) best available player any position.

As mentioned by everyone else it's a wastes pick to take Blakey.

How about Pick 26 and our 2019 second round pick for someone’s 2019 first round pick , perhaps hawthorns to help them get Wingard over the line. Although it kinda makes me ill the thought of helping those bastards out , 2 x 1st round picks next year would be nice and we would still have st kildas 2nd round pick also.


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[Markwebbos]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-make-play-for-sydney-swans-defender-nic-newman-20181014-p509ku.html

Carlton have emerged as a suitor for out-of-contract Sydney Swans defender Nic Newman.

It is understood Carlton have not made contact with the Swans but have told Newman's representatives that they'd be open to him joining the Blues as a delisted free agent when the AFL's delisted player free agency period opens on November 1.

Carlton claim they do not have the draft picks to do a deal with the Swans before Wednesday night's AFL trade period deadline so have floated the delisted free agency signing option.

However, with the Swans missing out on both Darcy Moore and Tom Langdon from Collingwood they're now open to keeping Newman, and have asked the 188cm defender if he would like to stay at the club.

[liz]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/...14-p509ku.html

Carlton have emerged as a suitor for out-of-contract Sydney Swans defender Nic Newman.

It is understood Carlton have not made contact with the Swans but have told Newman's representatives that they'd be open to him joining the Blues as a delisted free agent when the AFL's delisted player free agency period opens on November 1.

Carlton claim they do not have the draft picks to do a deal with the Swans before Wednesday night's AFL trade period deadline so have floated the delisted free agency signing option.

However, with the Swans missing out on both Darcy Moore and Tom Langdon from Collingwood they're now open to keeping Newman, and have asked the 188cm defender if he would like to stay at the club.

The pre-season draft means that Newman can walk to the Blues if he wishes to, regardless of whether the Swans offer him a new contract or delist him. Carlton have the first pick and Newman is entitled to delist himself and enter the draft (including just the PSD, if he chooses) even if he's offered a new contract. Just depends on which club he'd rather be at.

[Markwebbos]

I was more concerned that the Swans appear to have given up on trading in another defender to free up Mills / Jones. I'm trying to be patient, but it is looking like an underwhelming trade period to me.

[moocher]

I’d be happy to let him go. Great foot skills but not quick with either body or footy mind...however would have been better to have had him as part of a trade

[moocher]

Will be interesting on Wednesday night to see who the 4 northern clubs have lost south and who has moved north. I suspect the AFL have a real problem and gravity works strongly with AFL footballers as the lure of ‘home’ wins out time and time again. Are any of the 4 destination clubs any more? I always thought we were but I’m not so sure any more. GWS are haemorrhaging and the 2 Queensland clubs are struggling to both lure and retain players. I hope I’m wrong and the next 3 days turns this around.

[Markwebbos]

Will be interesting on Wednesday night to see who the 4 northern clubs have lost south and who has moved north. I suspect the AFL have a real problem and gravity works strongly with AFL footballers as the lure of ‘home’ wins out time and time again. Are any of the 4 destination clubs any more? I always thought we were but I’m not so sure any more. GWS are haemorrhaging and the 2 Queensland clubs are struggling to both lure and retain players. I hope I’m wrong and the next 3 days turns this around.

Brisbane were haemorrhaging players before Fagan arrived. Since then they've really turned things around re: player retention. They look like prising Lachie Neale out of Fremantle.

I think the lure of any club is related to it's competitiveness. And the Swans right now aren't really a top 4 side.

[Aprilbr]

I don't think we should get desperate and recruit anyone just because we have a perceived need. We should not be afraid of going to the draft. We still are viewed as the best destination of the Northern clubs for players. It's just unfortunate that this year the players on the market (apart from Neale) have seemingly all wanted to go to Melb or stay at their existing clubs. It's not personal.

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[S.S. Bleeder]

Apparently Jones and Mills have been promised more time in the midfield. This will be difficult to achieve if we don't bring anyone new in. I'd hate to lose Jones because we were forced to play him out of his natural position. I hope we look at Finlayson but the silence is telling me it's not on the horizon.

[707]

So the choice for Newman is between staying a being a fringe player or going to GWS South and being a fringe player. If he does go it would have been nice to get a small pick upgrade but we'll have to see what he decides.

Anyone heard any news on Duryea?

I'm not fussed about bringing anyone in, just bank the salary cap and take Blakey plus 38, 39, 40 to the draft. Whilst our finals exit wasn't pretty, immediately prior to that we'd beaten the Grand Finalists and one of the other Prelim teams. We're still thereabouts.

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Apparently Jones and Mills have been promised more time in the midfield. This will be difficult to achieve if we don't bring anyone new in. I'd hate to lose Jones because we were forced to play him out of his natural position. I hope we look at Finlayson but the silence is telling me it's not on the horizon.

Here's a thought, how about we play COR in the seniors, he was very impressive in his first games before getting injured.

[liz]

I think the lure of any club is related to it's competitiveness. And the Swans right now aren't really a top 4 side.

With respect, I think that's rubbish.

This time a year ago West Coast had finished 6th after a somewhat lucky kick-after-the-siren goal to win their elimination final. Otherwise they'd have finished 8th. Many tipped them to fall further in 2018. Instead they won the premiership.

Collingwood were a laughing stock for several year before 2018 but just put in a very credible performance in a grand final. The year before it was Richmond, except that they actually won the premiership in 2017.

Apart from the bottom handful of clubs, anyone could win the premiership next year with some luck on the injury front and modest improvement from a couple of players. Based on the age of the team we fielded in the finals and the players we had missing, we have as much scope for improvement next year as any other team (maybe Melbourne aside). We still have the best forward in the game. And healthy spread of experience and youth. Sure, we've just lost Hannebery but based on what he was able to contribute in 2018, that's almost no loss. Add another solid to good experienced player (like a Scully, Langdon etc) and there's absolutely no reason why we won't be in the thick of it next year. From there we just need a little bit to go our way at the right time of the year.

[Melbourne_Blood]

2018 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

Brisbane were haemorrhaging players before Fagan arrived. Since then they've really turned things around re: player retention. They look like prising Lachie Neale out of Fremantle.

I think the lure of any club is related to it's competitiveness. And the Swans right now aren't really a top 4 side.

Agree about Brisbane , they have definitely turned it around.


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[barry]

Will be interesting on Wednesday night to see who the 4 northern clubs have lost south and who has moved north. I suspect the AFL have a real problem and gravity works strongly with AFL footballers as the lure of ‘home’ wins out time and time again. Are any of the 4 destination clubs any more? I always thought we were but I’m not so sure any more. GWS are haemorrhaging and the 2 Queensland clubs are struggling to both lure and retain players. I hope I’m wrong and the next 3 days turns this around.

Just remember the difference between rumor and fact. The Vic media love a rumour of players returning to vic, not the other way around. Beams is a great example: Freo suggested to Brisbane they trade beams to get a pick for Neale. Vic media run with beams wants to return to Vic.

But the washup will be interesting.

[Melbourne_Blood]

With respect, I think that's rubbish.

This time a year ago West Coast had finished 6th after a somewhat lucky kick-after-the-siren goal to win their elimination final. Otherwise they'd have finished 8th. Many tipped them to fall further in 2018. Instead they won the premiership.

Collingwood were a laughing stock for several year before 2018 but just put in a very credible performance in a grand final. The year before it was Richmond, except that they actually won the premiership in 2017.

Apart from the bottom handful of clubs, anyone could win the premiership next year with some luck on the injury front and modest improvement from a couple of players. Based on the age of the team we fielded in the finals and the players we had missing, we have as much scope for improvement next year as any other team (maybe Melbourne aside). We still have the best forward in the game. And healthy spread of experience and youth. Sure, we've just lost Hannebery but based on what he was able to contribute in 2018, that's almost no loss. Add another solid to good experienced player (like a Scully, Langdon etc) and there's absolutely no reason why we won't be in the thick of it next year. From there we just need a little bit to go our way at the right time of the year.

Agree but who is the Langdon or Scully type we will get ? Not asking for the answer but Langdon is signed and Scully wants the hawks. I know you’re aware of that too. I’d love us to pull a rabbit out of the hat but I am scratching my head as to who that could be at this point. I’d love it to be Scully . I’d love it to be Hogan. Steven May ( don’t think that’s our primary need but he’s a gun so yes ). Who knows . Hopefully there is moves left in the swans though , we haven’t dazzled so far in trade week


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[Markwebbos]

With respect, I think that's rubbish.

This time a year ago West Coast had finished 6th after a somewhat lucky kick-after-the-siren goal to win their elimination final. Otherwise they'd have finished 8th. Many tipped them to fall further in 2018. Instead they won the premiership.

Collingwood were a laughing stock for several year before 2018 but just put in a very credible performance in a grand final. The year before it was Richmond, except that they actually won the premiership in 2017.

Apart from the bottom handful of clubs, anyone could win the premiership next year with some luck on the injury front and modest improvement from a couple of players. Based on the age of the team we fielded in the finals and the players we had missing, we have as much scope for improvement next year as any other team (maybe Melbourne aside). We still have the best forward in the game. And healthy spread of experience and youth. Sure, we've just lost Hannebery but based on what he was able to contribute in 2018, that's almost no loss. Add another solid to good experienced player (like a Scully, Langdon etc) and there's absolutely no reason why we won't be in the thick of it next year. From there we just need a little bit to go our way at the right time of the year.

Maybe I was being a bit harsh, but this year the Swans were always off the pace. You are right that West Coast were similarly off the pace in 2017. Things could change for the better next year.

With the turnaround of West Coast, Collingwood and Richmond there was an injection of fresh talent and a change of assistants / game plan.

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Just remember the difference between rumor and fact. The Vic media love a rumour of players returning to vic, not the other way around. Beams is a great example: Freo suggested to Brisbane they trade beams to get a pick for Neale. Vic media run with beams wants to return to Vic.

But the washup will be interesting.

At this time of year its very hard to tell them apart!

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Agree but who is the Langdon or Scully type we will get ? Not asking for the answer but Langdon is signed and Scully wants the hawks. I know you’re aware of that too. I’d love us to pull a rabbit out of the hat but I am scratching my head as to who that could be at this point. I’d love it to be Scully . I’d love it to be Hogan. Steven May ( don’t think that’s our primary need but he’s a gun so yes ). Who knows . Hopefully there is moves left in the swans though , we haven’t dazzled so far in trade week


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Duryea? Finlayson? Hombsch / Howard?
Seems Port aren't sold on Burton. He'd be a good pick up if we could facilitate Wingard getting to the Hawks.