Round 8 Swans v Hawthorn MCG Friday May 11 7.50 pm

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  • MattW
    Veterans List
    • May 2011
    • 4223

    Originally posted by liz
    They reported pretty much the same on AFL360 -ie that this was a regular, scheduled report and had nothing to do with The Meeting.

    Tonight was players' night with Jack Riewoldt and Jordan Lewis and the issue was discussed at length. Lewis opened up with a bit of a chuckle, saying they used to specifically train for it at Hawthorn. He then commented that he thought the Langford hold on Grundy was a clear free kick, while he saw nothing wrong with the Grundy/Rampe/Roughead contest, saying that Roughead was out of position and just needed to work to get better position in the contest.

    Both of them said they have no issue with blocking/holding down (not with arms but by body position) in a contest in principle, while acknowledging that some are illegal. Riewoldt commented that it is very easy for the player supposedly being blocked to play for it and make no effort to get position to mark the ball if blocking frees are awarded too liberally. And both thought there's nothing wrong with a team getting some kind of advantage where they have more players in a contest.
    Cheers.

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    • Meg
      Go Swannies!
      Site Admin
      • Aug 2011
      • 4828

      Originally posted by liz
      .Tonight was players' night with Jack Riewoldt and Jordan Lewis and the issue was discussed at length. Lewis opened up with a bit of a chuckle, saying they used to specifically train for it at Hawthorn.
      Lol, that?s just great. I suddenly like Lewis!

      Actually from what you report both players said, I am impressed with their constructive responses. Riewoldt in particular could have been much more self-serving had he chosen to be.

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      • dejavoodoo44
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2015
        • 8663

        Originally posted by Markwebbos
        McLachlan told the Herald Sun he had met Clarkson at the Hawthorn coach?s request with no idea of the topic.

        He said he had not spoken to AFL football boss Steve Hocking about the contents of his meeting, which on Monday became public...

        McLachlan and Clarkson are close friends and often meet, with the Hawks premiership coach determined to get his point across about how the game is played and officiated.

        It is understood McLachlan agreed to meet him on Sunday night after several Clarkson text messages.

        When Clarkson began to present a series of video grabs about blocking over breakfast, McLachlan listened to his message.

        But Hocking and his new team have been separately working on how to minimise blocking in marking contests, believing it has crept into the game and stopped players flying for marks.

        The AFL?s determination to stop defenders chopping the arms of forwards has meant defenders have got craftier as they attempt to stop goals.

        Many including Sydney?s Dane Rampe, St Kilda?s Nathan Brown, Essendon?s Cale Hooker and Richmond?s David Astbury are masters at tactics such as pushing players under the ball with their body weight.
        Yes, obviously just a case of great minds thinking alike. Though, some of the soft frees paid against our defenders in the North game, may suggest that it was already on the agenda.

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        • dejavoodoo44
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2015
          • 8663

          Originally posted by liz
          They reported pretty much the same on AFL360 -ie that this was a regular, scheduled report and had nothing to do with The Meeting.

          Tonight was players' night with Jack Riewoldt and Jordan Lewis and the issue was discussed at length. Lewis opened up with a bit of a chuckle, saying they used to specifically train for it at Hawthorn. He then commented that he thought the Langford hold on Grundy was a clear free kick, while he saw nothing wrong with the Grundy/Rampe/Roughead contest, saying that Roughead was out of position and just needed to work to get better position in the contest.

          Both of them said they have no issue with blocking/holding down (not with arms but by body position) in a contest in principle, while acknowledging that some are illegal. Riewoldt commented that it is very easy for the player supposedly being blocked to play for it and make no effort to get position to mark the ball if blocking frees are awarded too liberally. And both thought there's nothing wrong with a team getting some kind of advantage where they have more players in a contest.
          So, essentially, Clarkson is screaming "blue murder", over a tactic that he coaches his own players to employ? I'm actually starting to wonder about the state of his mental health.

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          • Bexl
            Regular in the Side
            • Jan 2003
            • 817

            Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
            So, essentially, Clarkson is screaming "blue murder", over a tactic that he coaches his own players to employ? I'm actually starting to wonder about the state of his mental health.
            Its probably not mental health, he is just an arse hole.

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              Round 8 Swans v Hawthorn MCG Friday May 11 7.50 pm

              Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
              Yes, obviously just a case of great minds thinking alike. Though, some of the soft frees paid against our defenders in the North game, may suggest that it was already on the agenda.
              In fairness, it has been on the AFL agenda for the last few years. The following quote comes from the Herald Sun leading into the 2015 season:

              ?Clubs have also become elite at not only blocking marking players as they lead for the ball but blocking their run as they leap for marks, disguising their actions as marking attempts.?

              ?Evans said the league was keen to crack down (on those two areas).?

              ?The other thing that really emerged was the team style of defence where you have some players whose only job is to get in the road of someone and preventing them to get to the marking contest in the first place.

              ?It is pretty difficult to pick up on because it can be so well disguised but we think the umpires need to have a greater attention to it so we can give their key forwards a real chance to contest for the ball.?

              None of which excuses Clarkson for singling out the Swans defenders immediately after losing a game to the Swans.

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              • Meg
                Go Swannies!
                Site Admin
                • Aug 2011
                • 4828

                Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
                So, essentially, Clarkson is screaming "blue murder", over a tactic that he coaches his own players to employ? I'm actually starting to wonder about the state of his mental health.
                You might be on to something there.

                The Swans ?pinched? his premiership in 2012.

                Then the Swans ?pinched? his Buddy end of 2013.

                He?s like a rejected lover, thrashing around bitterly looking for revenge.

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8663

                  Originally posted by Meg
                  You might be on to something there.

                  The Swans ?pinched? his premiership in 2012.

                  Then the Swans ?pinched? his Buddy end of 2013.

                  He?s like a rejected lover, thrashing around bitterly looking for revenge.
                  That works. But I was thinking more along the lines of, somebody high in the dark triad trait of Machiavellianism, descending inexorably into unhinged paranoia.

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                  • Bill Posters
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 259

                    Holy hell. I just popped onto big footy to see what other team's supporters are saying about this. It's basically this:

                    Hawk: you're a sook!
                    Swan: you're a crybaby!
                    Hawk: no, you are! You've been crying ever since the 2014 grand final!

                    Etc etc. Is that forum filled with children?

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                    • Blood Fever
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4050

                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      McLachlan told the Herald Sun he had met Clarkson at the Hawthorn coach?s request with no idea of the topic.

                      He said he had not spoken to AFL football boss Steve Hocking about the contents of his meeting, which on Monday became public...

                      McLachlan and Clarkson are close friends and often meet, with the Hawks premiership coach determined to get his point across about how the game is played and officiated.

                      It is understood McLachlan agreed to meet him on Sunday night after several Clarkson text messages.

                      When Clarkson began to present a series of video grabs about blocking over breakfast, McLachlan listened to his message.

                      But Hocking and his new team have been separately working on how to minimise blocking in marking contests, believing it has crept into the game and stopped players flying for marks.

                      The AFL?s determination to stop defenders chopping the arms of forwards has meant defenders have got craftier as they attempt to stop goals.

                      Many including Sydney?s Dane Rampe, St Kilda?s Nathan Brown, Essendon?s Cale Hooker and Richmond?s David Astbury are masters at tactics such as pushing players under the ball with their body weight.
                      Close friends - whatever happened to the concept of conflict of interest? Went out the window years ago in the AFL, started by the master of conflict of interest, Eddie McGuire. CEO part of the boys club - amateur hour. This sort of thing breeds huge resentment but journos and commentators pretend it's not happening because they fear biting the hand that feeds them.

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                      • AnnieH
                        RWOs Black Sheep
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 11332

                        So, going by what Clarkson says, every single buddy-centric ball that goes anywhere near the Bud should be called as a mark/free kick and gets him a shot on goal?
                        This could actually work in our favour.
                        Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                        Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16778

                          Originally posted by AnnieH
                          So, going by what Clarkson says, every single buddy-centric ball that goes anywhere near the Bud should be called as a mark/free kick and gets him a shot on goal?
                          This could actually work in our favour.
                          If it weren't for that damn bruise...

                          I hope Papley, Hayward and Ronke have been practising the art of waving their arms around to alert the umpires to them being blocked in marking contests.

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                          • barry
                            Veterans List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8499

                            I've noticed Caro is putting out a lot of anti Gill articles lately. Not specific to the Clarkson issue, but finally a journo has seems through his BS.

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                            • Beerman
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 823

                              On the topic of AFL CEOs, I never understood the hate that Demetriou seemed to receive on bigfooty. He wasn't perfect, but I thought he did a pretty good job. He was certainly a lot better than Gill, who seems to be completely clueless when it comes to both integrity and having a vision for the leage.

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                              • dejavoodoo44
                                Veterans List
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 8663

                                Originally posted by Beerman
                                On the topic of AFL CEOs, I never understood the hate that Demetriou seemed to receive on bigfooty. He wasn't perfect, but I thought he did a pretty good job. He was certainly a lot better than Gill, who seems to be completely clueless when it comes to both integrity and having a vision for the leage.
                                Yes, there was a time, when I thought that the AFL did pretty well everything better than the NRL. I no longer think that is the case.

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