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  • Go Swannies
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2003
    • 5697



    Just back from seeing the Australian Dream at the Randwick Ritz. Powerful film and both Adam and Stan spoke very well. Adam seems in a happy, confident space.

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    • Mel
      Regular in the Side
      • Jul 2005
      • 883

      Originally posted by Go Swannies
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      Just back from seeing the Australian Dream at the Randwick Ritz. Powerful film and both Adam and Stan spoke very well. Adam seems in a happy, confident space.
      I agree - Adam seemed very content with life right now. The film broke my heart as did Adam's comment that he can't see himself ever being involved in AFL again. He said that he can't even watch footage of himself in his playing days as it reminds him of the great passion he used to have for the game and how that is now completely gone. After seeing The Final Quarter at the SFF I was mad. After seeing TAD last night I'm just so, so sad.

      The part that stayed with me was when they showed a re-enactment of sorts of Adam going back to country. When he was sitting around the fire with the elders and they were talking about how the Aboriginal history is an oral history. One elder said (badly paraphrasing, my memory isn't great): "The thing with oral stories is that you have to wait until people are ready to listen to pass on the story. When people are ready to listen is when they learn the most". Stan and Adam were both optimistic that Australia is really close to being ready to listen to the story of Aboriginal history - our history. I don't carry the same optimism, but I hope they're right.

      On a lighter note, Goodesy mentioned that his team just won the Div 2 basketball premiership at Sydney Boys High. His teammates include Brett Kirk and Michael O'Loughlin. Can you imagine rocking up to play a game of park basketball and seeing those guys ready to go? I'd suggest a beer instead I think!
      Life's not a spectator sport

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      • bloodspirit
        Clubman
        • Apr 2015
        • 4448

        I was at the screening at the Ritz last night too. Great film! Liked it even better than The Final Quarter. It felt like we saw a bit more commentary and personal stuff from Goodes behind the scenes rather than just the public footage that had already been aired. Was also a story with a bit more trajectory. I'm glad they included substantial comments from Andrew Bolt and commentary from Sam Newman and Eddie Maguire. It's good to have given them a fair hearing and so the audience can make their own determination of the merits of the respective arguments.

        Goodsey urged us to combat casual racism and perhaps to defriend our mates who aren't willing to take on board our concerns about their racism (correct me if I misunderstood - he wasn't categorical). I agree with confronting casual racism, not so sure about de-friending. Speaking up is important and staying silent does allow bigotry to flourish. I have dear friends who make racist (and sexist) comments. It bothers me. I have raised the issue with them (but not every time they do it) and they don't see things the same way I do and so they are likely to keep doing it. To me, it doesn't seem productive to end the friendship over it. In particular, I'm not convinced it helps to make for a less racist society. Of course, I might feel differently if I was one of the people disparaged by their comments. Not sure what others think?

        I was impressed by Stan Grant - he is articulate and eloquent. He's come a long, long way since his A Current Affair days (and I don't mean he wasn't good then - I never watched it - but literally he has worked around the world covering conflict and other stuff for nearly 20 years, seen a lot, returned to Australia about 5 years ago and is about to leave again to resume working abroad). He came across as statesmanlike. Good for him. He's earned it.

        I fully agree with you, Mel, that it was terribly, terribly sad to hear how Adam doesn't even like to see footage of himself playing footy because it reminds him of how much he used to love the game and how that's just not there any more and how sad he feels about that. It was a small consolation that he still professes his love for the club and that he feels we have always supported him. I commend him for his wisdom in knowing what he wants and can handle by choosing to save his time for those he knows will love and care for him and not expose himself to haters when he doesn't need to.

        On a different note, here is an article from another former Indigenous player, Shaun Edwards: https://www.playersvoice.com.au/shau...meant-nothing/. Particularly of interest is that it was his decision to end his career and we were ready to offer him another contract. He explains that despite all the glamour and perks of being a footy player, when he returned to his roots in the Territory everything was the same as when he was growing up (i.e. endemic disadvantage) and his footy career just didn't feel that meaningful to him. He is also lost his passion for the game despite being able bodied chose to leave. Instead he is now working mentoring marginalised kids from around the world from high school into university, including Indigenous kids in Australia. Good on you, Shane. Go well.
        All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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        • S.S. Bleeder
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2014
          • 2165

          I noticed that Jude is appearing on The Real Dirty Dancing show on channel 7. He must be a great dancer.

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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            Audio of Ted Richards commenting on:

            playing finals - Ted Richards talks finals atmosphere and what goes into a good September

            Goodesy and the docos - "A mate, a brother, was hurting": Ted Richards reveals what it was like at the Swans during the Adam Goodes booing saga
            All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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            • mcs
              Travelling Swannie!!
              • Jul 2007
              • 8166

              Originally posted by Mel

              On a lighter note, Goodesy mentioned that his team just won the Div 2 basketball premiership at Sydney Boys High. His teammates include Brett Kirk and Michael O'Loughlin. Can you imagine rocking up to play a game of park basketball and seeing those guys ready to go? I'd suggest a beer instead I think!
              Yeh I remember seeing a picture on Instagram (Mickey O's account I think) about them winning it last year perhaps (or making a grand final or something) and thinking just that. I'd be like 'stuff this' - lets find a pub for a drink!
              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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              • Meg
                Go Swannies!
                Site Admin
                • Aug 2011
                • 4828

                If you haven’t seen the second Adam Goodes film, ‘The Australian Dream’, then I highly recommend it. Very powerful and very well made.

                Also if you are a member and go as a twosome this weekend you can get the following special deal:


                ‘Palace Cinemas has proudly teamed up with Madman Entertainment to invite AFL members across the country to attend screenings of The Australian Dream with a special 2-for-1 ticket offer when you show your current AFL or AFL Club Membership*.
                Available this weekend only (Aug 29 – Sep 1)!’

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                • KSAS
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2018
                  • 1792

                  I saw the Australian Dream last month at the MFF. There was a Q&A after with the director Daniel Gordon, who informed filming began last October and they ended up with several hundred hours of footage which they had to edit down to a couple of hours. They cut out interviews they'd done with Gill McLachlan because they decided it just didn't flow with the rest of the film. Daniel is English who wasn't familiar with the AFL or Adam Goodes but that all changed when the booing saga made headliness which drew his interest into the background to of all this.

                  Heard Stan Grant being interviewed by Whately on SEN this morning, who mentioned he & Goodes will be travelling to the States & UK presenting this documentary at various film festivals.

                  I also thought this doco was more powerful than the Final Quarter because it was more far reaching than just the booing the saga even though there is some overlap. It delves much deeper at a personal level with various well known indigenous sport stars. The hand clapping for Goodes at that game against Adelaide was very emotional to experience again in the way it was presented in this doco. Must see.

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                  • 707
                    Veterans List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 6204

                    Got to thinking about how many former captains are on the Swans staff.

                    Dennis Caroll
                    Stuey Maxfield
                    Tom Harley
                    Brett kirk
                    Jarrad McVeigh

                    Is there any more I haven't thought of? What is KJ doing in retirement?

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                    • Ruck'n'Roll
                      Ego alta, ergo ictus
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 3990

                      Our tendency to appoint from within is quite marked. StevieJ being a very successful exception so far - not sure about BigCox, our midfield/clearance performances are a worry.

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16772

                        Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                        Our tendency to appoint from within is quite marked. StevieJ being a very successful exception so far - not sure about BigCox, our midfield/clearance performances are a worry.
                        I've heard Harley and Longmire talk about how hard it is to recruit coaching staff to Sydney. We focus on the "go home" and cost of living factors for players, but they apply to support staff as well - coaches and medical/training people. By the time players retire and are looking to get into coaching, they are often settled, with families. To move your family for an assistant coaching role is an upheaval. And you do so knowing you may only last a couple of years before needing to move on, either to broaden your experience or because the club is looking to rotate assistant coaches. And so you are faced with the upheaval again in a short time. It makes sense - especially if you are already based in Melbourne - to seek roles at Melbourne clubs. Not only do you not have to move once, you know you have more alternative employers in your location if you need to (or choose to) move clubs again. And you may well have your extended family already on hand. And it will be cheaper to live than in Sydney.

                        Cox knew he needed to relocate if he wanted to broaden his experience. Johnson was already in Sydney. Prising people out of Melbourne is so much harder. So it's not surprising that the club looks to recruit from those already in the city and especially at the club, particularly for the lower paid, entry level coaching roles. It is not simply out of choice. It is also necessity.

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                        • goswannies
                          Senior Player
                          • Sep 2007
                          • 3049

                          Originally posted by liz
                          I've heard Harley and Longmire talk about how hard it is to recruit coaching staff to Sydney. We focus on the "go home" and cost of living factors for players, but they apply to support staff as well - coaches and medical/training people. To move your family for an assistant coaching role is an upheaval.
                          Ooh pick me! I’d make the move in a heartbeat for a support staff role. goswannette won’t be to hard to convince either

                          & I don’t cost much. Worked at a SANFL club for a few years - “payment” was a free (ie leftovers form the social club) meal after training once a week

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                          • S.S. Bleeder
                            Senior Player
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2165

                            Originally posted by 707
                            Got to thinking about how many former captains are on the Swans staff.

                            Dennis Caroll
                            Stuey Maxfield
                            Tom Harley
                            Brett kirk
                            Jarrad McVeigh

                            Is there any more I haven't thought of? What is KJ doing in retirement?
                            Nippa Gordon?

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                            • AnnieH
                              RWOs Black Sheep
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 11332

                              Originally posted by goswannies
                              Ooh pick me! I’d make the move in a heartbeat for a support staff role. goswannette won’t be to hard to convince either

                              & I don’t cost much. Worked at a SANFL club for a few years - “payment” was a free (ie leftovers form the social club) meal after training once a week
                              Apply for a medical position.
                              Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
                              Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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                              • Ruck'n'Roll
                                Ego alta, ergo ictus
                                • Nov 2003
                                • 3990

                                Troy luff has finally won a flag
                                Former Swan Troy Luff ends run of 10 grand final losses with Sydney AFL premiership | Sporting News Australia

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