2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[S.S. Bleeder]

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I fail to see why we would give up Papley in order to get Daniher when we could get him for free next year.

I'm also not keen on the idea of getting another key forward into the team. We've historically shown that we become too one dimensional when we have a strong KPF in the team. Papley makes us more creative whilst Daniher won't.

[Ludwig]

Getting Daniher would set back the club for years to come. We can forget finals for at least another 5 or 6 years. Not only is he an unnecessary extra in a forward line already having problems fitting in all the talls, but his big salary will drive other good young players from the club. It will stall the development of our younger key forwards and likely lead to a loss of one ore more. We can use another midfielder, not someone competing with Buddy for goals.

The interesting thing is that we don't need a key forward, but Essendon really do. The whole Papley/Daniher thing is one of the most counter-intuitive trades I've heard for some time.


Put this scene in your mind: Longmire telling KB that what the club really needs is a tall forward to help out Buddy, Reid and McCartin. And not to worry that when the ball comes to ground we won't have our best crumbing forward anymore.

[Markwebbos]

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That seemed entirely speculative. With a lot of “ifs” in it! Harley did say we weren’t interested in Daniher, he doesn’t seem like the kind of person to say a barefaced lie.

[KSAS]

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This just Fox Sport trying to make a news item from Sam Maclure's opinion he made this morning on SEN. As I'd posted earlier today, there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory. It's just tossed up so the footy journo's can earn their pay cheques in a slow news week.

[sprite]

How about we bundle Jones and pick 4 to Westcoast for Josh Kennedy, let's start that rumour...

[bloodspirit]

Thanks, AG. I am open to using our first pick in a trade but I'd rather spend it to get Brayshaw than Daniher unless we are otherwise going to address effectively our midfield needs. I wonder what Brayshaw would cost. Quite possibly more than pick 4-6 alone.

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However, I'd point that while Daniher might cost less in terms of picks next year, he might then cost more in terms of salary cap (to avoid Essendon matching). We have to bear in mind the total cost of any trade (not just picks).

[Markwebbos]

Thanks, AG. I am open to using our first pick in a trade but I'd rather spend it to get Brayshaw than Daniher unless we are otherwise going to address effectively our midfield needs. I wonder what Brayshaw would cost. Quite possibly more than pick 4-6 alone.

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However, I'd point that while Daniher might cost less in terms of picks next year, he might then cost more in terms of salary cap (to avoid Essendon matching). We have to bear in mind the total cost of any trade (not just picks).

Angus I assume? Don’t think he’d be available, but you never know. Pick 4 would do it surely.

[Blue Sun]

Trading Papley would be a massive mistake.

[Captain]

Angus I assume? Don’t think he’d be available, but you never know. Pick 4 would do it surely.

Earlier in this thread you claimed that you wouldn't do the trade of Papley for pick 8 (why risk a player for an untried kid you said). Now you think the Dees would 'surely' let go of Brayshaw for pick 4 if he was available.

Gee whiz!

[Auntie.Gerald]

in Summary my preference :

My main strategy for 2020 to set up 2021 and beyond:

1. Jye Caldwell - we give up pick 4 and pick 20 to GwS for draft pick 11 and Jye Caldwell.

We reshuffle our other picks to two x mid 20s

Then we use pick 11 as part of for another trade ie Daniher

This is a player that GWS can not afford in the next 24months ie another expensive future mid and with Coniglio, kelly, hopper, Taranto Whitfield the pick of the bunch and killing gws via salary cap he is a chance of being traded

I truly believe Jye Caldwell could be a 200 game player at the Swans and perfect for our midfield. Second preseason this year coming and ready to rock ! Jye is a better midfield prospect then the picks 4-10 in the draft this year and he is ready !


We still keep Paps and Jones !!!!!

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Jye Caldwell suffered two ham string tears, a kidney bruising and another injury in his draft

originally prior to injuries was an approx pick 4-10

He went to gws at pick 11 primarily due to injuries in his draft year but was a sensational pick up at 11

I just feel that he is one of those players every team wants but he is genuinely going to be super hard for gws to keep next year hence if we can make a win win trade now we set up our midfield for many years to come

Next year it’s unlikely we will get a similar opportunity at the draft or trading

[Markwebbos]

Earlier in this thread you claimed that you wouldn't do the trade of Papley for pick 8 (why risk a player for an untried kid you said). Now you think the Dees would 'surely' let go of Brayshaw for pick 4 if he was available.

Gee whiz!

Captain my captain. I just wrote “Don’t think he’d be available” I’ll spell out for you that I meant I don’t think the Dees will trade him. Why would they?

Then I wrote “but you never know...” that bit meant if they had a reason to want to trade him then “... pick 4 would do it ...”

To summarise I said I think he’s off the table but if they put him on it pick 4 is a fair price.

In terms of Papley I don’t think we should trade him.

But I also don’t know the circumstances pulling him back to Melbourne. If the club decides it’s in everyone’s best interests to let him go (a la Darren Jolly) I would rather structure the deal (as I proposed to quite a lot of gnashing of teeth a few days ago) that we use a pick 7/8 to bring in another quality player.

I openly declare myself to be pro Daniher if Paps has to go.

That’s a lot of ifs. I expect that Bradshaw is going nowhere and hope the same is true of Paps.

And also Jones

[rojo]

Why on earth would we want Daniher! When Buddy retires in 3 or so years we will have our very own Nick Blakey ready to step up. Wayne Carey keeps on telling us that Nick is going to be a super star (I hope he is right of course) who can play anywhere but will probably play a role similar to Daniher and we already have him. Having two 'stars' eg Buddy and Tippet trying to play together certainly didn't work for us.
Regarding Sam Reid even Horse commented after one game when asked about Reid that when Sam was in the forward line with Buddy out he could have been stepping up and imposing himself on the game more. However after surviving the whole season without injury I imagine that Sam might be set for a great year next year.

[Captain]

Captain my captain. I just wrote “Don’t think he’d be available” I’ll spell out for you that I meant I don’t think the Dees will trade him. Why would they?

Then I wrote “but you never know...” that bit meant if they had a reason to want to trade him then “... pick 4 would do it ...”

To summarise I said I think he’s off the table but if they put him on it pick 4 is a fair price.

In terms of Papley I don’t think we should trade him.

But I also don’t know the circumstances pulling him back to Melbourne. If the club decides it’s in everyone’s best interests to let him go (a la Darren Jolly) I would rather structure the deal (as I proposed to quite a lot of gnashing of teeth a few days ago) that we use a pick 7/8 to bring in another quality player.

I openly declare myself to be pro Daniher if Paps has to go.

That’s a lot of ifs. I expect that Bradshaw is going nowhere and hope the same is true of Paps.

And also Jones

We agree that in both situations the clubs don't want to lose either player. We also agree that (at this stage) neither are available. These aren't in dispute.

I originally suggested pick 8 for Papley is a good deal (if he wants out) and was shot down, with which you agreed. Now you are suggesting the Dees would surely do the deal for Brayshaw (if he wanted out) and Pick 4.

If Brayshaw is only worth pick 4 then Papley is the steal of a century at pick 8.

[Melbourne_Blood]

Apparently Brad Crouch’s manager has fielded many enquiries about him. I hope we are asking. We desperately need ball winners . Joey is on the wane and Parker needs help . Heeney is not a natural inside Mid and Mills ( still questions mark over his credentials too ) may be stuck down back forever. Hewett is great when let off the chain but it’s not enough. We rarely have one player other than Lloyd who regularly gets over 30 touches ( and a lot of his are played in kick ins) and at our prime we had 4-5 blokes getting those numbers ( JPK, Jack, Hanners, Parker, Mitchell etc . ) you can’t win the game if you don’t win your share of the footy ! Would be happy to offer pick 23 up, maybe even Rose as the steak knives if they’ll have him. Wonder if that would be enough though ...

[Nico]

Again on SEN this arvo they talked about Papley to Carlton. The host said, but he is contracted for 4 years, how can that happen. The bloke spruiking it said that it can be done. "But at his exit interview there was no talk about him moving". "It doesn't mean anything". Again brought up personal issues.

If it is an issue with his girlfriend, then get her up there, get her a job and get on with it.