2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I agree that Flanders' highlight reel is not that impressive. I watched the full game in the Vic U18 semi final and he racked up plenty of possessions, sort of quietly, like Tom Mitchell does. His hands are quick. He looks a very solid player. He also tested surprisingly well in both agility and vertical leap. And the stats say he's been a consistent high performer toward the end of the season. All together, it's raised my opinion of him, but not necessarily above some others.

I know we've experienced drafting players with injuries and acquiring injuries in their 1at pre-season, but without checking, I suspect this is true of every club. It's just a lottery with these things. But agree that Kemp has to be discounted to some extent due to the ACL injury, although he looks the perfect player for us.

Yes. Trading future draft picks is permitted all the way through the end of the draft, including during the draft.

Ludders, I admire your ability to see things long-term. And I have a question for you. If you would be prepared to draft a player, i.e. Kemp, who has the right attributes, but who won't really be playing until 2021, are you prepared to also think about our needs in this draft in light of the highly probably acquisition of two "midfielders" in Campbell and Gulden next year?

How patient are people prepared to be with our #Rebuild?

[Ralph Dawg]

Just a couple of musings re Brisbane's trade period. They traded in Cam Ellis-Yolmen and traded out or delisted Cutler, Robertson and Keay who play similar roles. Does that mean they rate CEY as better? Likewise they traded out Taylor but traded in Callum Ah Chee. In this case the roles aren't necessarily the same but suggests they think CAC has more to offer them than Squizzy. Cause for concern? Or not really applicable to us?

CEY was specifically bought in to add depth to their inside mids. The observation that was made was that they got a little worn down during the finals, especially Neale and having an extra option inside would've benefitted the side. Whether he plays every week is debatable but he adds depth to the squad. Cutler, Robertson and Keay are all slightly different and none are out and out inside players.

Ah Chee is being viewed as providing run off half back. Squizzy was tried there but wasn't really successful. Playing as a small forward, rotating into the midfield is clearly Sqizzy's best position and the Lions are pretty flushed for small options in their forward line. I'm not concerned about his recruitment - it's certainly pretty sound on paper. Squizzy just has to produce the goods to back me up!

[Melbourne_Blood]

CEY was specifically bought in to add depth to their inside mids. The observation that was made was that they got a little worn down during the finals, especially Neale and having an extra option inside would've benefitted the side. Whether he plays every week is debatable but he adds depth to the squad. Cutler, Robertson and Keay are all slightly different and none are out and out inside players.

Ah Chee is being viewed as providing run off half back. Squizzy was tried there but wasn't really successful. Playing as a small forward, rotating into the midfield is clearly Sqizzy's best position and the Lions are pretty flushed for small options in their forward line. I'm not concerned about his recruitment - it's certainly pretty sound on paper. Squizzy just has to produce the goods to back me up!

Hmm I dont think the Lions would’ve brought CEY in on a 3 year deal ( as a 26 yr old ) if they didn’t think he would play every week.


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[Ralph Dawg]

Hmm I dont think the Lions would’ve brought CEY in on a 3 year deal ( as a 26 yr old ) if they didn’t think he would play every week.


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You make a good point. However, if their first choice midfield stays fit and Raynor plays more midfield, I think he might struggle. Personally I don't rate CEY.

[Ludwig]

Ludders, I admire your ability to see things long-term. And I have a question for you. If you would be prepared to draft a player, i.e. Kemp, who has the right attributes, but who won't really be playing until 2021, are you prepared to also think about our needs in this draft in light of the highly probably acquisition of two "midfielders" in Campbell and Gulden next year?

How patient are people prepared to be with our #Rebuild?

I'm perfectly fine to wait for Kemp to play in 2021. The reason I think he's worth considering is that he's 192-193 cm, fits the bull, pace and scoring criteria that everyone would like in a midfielder. I have taken into account the fact that Campbell and Gulden are smallish players, so would prefer to draft a bigger midfielder in this year. The one thing that's difficult to assess is the risk of taking a player who has had an ACL injury, because that involves a medical evaluation and is therefore something I'm not qualified to make a judgment on. But surely he is being considered by the club and a medical assessment will be made, and the club with take that into account on how they rank the players in this draft.

[Aprilbr]

An interesting article on the Swans website about all of our previous Top 10 draft picks. Not a lot of success with our picks in the 1980s or early to mid-1990s. Some duds and good players we could not retain in the dark days like Rocca, Gasper and Shannon Grant. The 2000s though yielded some beauties like Crouch, McVeigh, Bolton and Fosdike. Lets hope our Number 5 this time will yield someone special for us.

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[Jimitron5000]

I'm perfectly fine to wait for Kemp to play in 2021. The reason I think he's worth considering is that he's 192-193 cm, fits the bull, pace and scoring criteria that everyone would like in a midfielder. I have taken into account the fact that Campbell and Gulden are smallish players, so would prefer to draft a bigger midfielder in this year. The one thing that's difficult to assess is the risk of taking a player who has had an ACL injury, because that involves a medical evaluation and is therefore something I'm not qualified to make a judgment on. But surely he is being considered by the club and a medical assessment will be made, and the club with take that into account on how they rank the players in this draft.

As fans we do have to remember that a player is recruited, not for the output of their first year, but for their output over a number of years and the more I look at it I think Kemp would be the best option for us.

[AnnieH]

An interesting article on the Swans website about all of our previous Top 10 draft picks. Not a lot of success with our picks in the 1980s or early to mid-1990s. Some duds and good players we could not retain in the dark days like Rocca, Gasper and Shannon Grant. The 2000s though yielded some beauties like Crouch, McVeigh, Bolton and Fosdike. Lets hope our Number 5 this time will yield someone special for us.

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The difference between then and now, was, at that time, we were regularly at the bottom of the heap and we getting "better" draft picks, but because an hour on a plane is too far away from mummy, we couldn't retain them.
Yes, I'm STILL looking at you Anthony Rocca.
Now, due to our success, we rarely get a "better" draft pick.
Hope they pick a ruckman.

[Nico]

You make a good point. However, if their first choice midfield stays fit and Raynor plays more midfield, I think he might struggle. Personally I don't rate CEY.

Looks pretty soft and flaky to me.

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I'm perfectly fine to wait for Kemp to play in 2021. The reason I think he's worth considering is that he's 192-193 cm, fits the bull, pace and scoring criteria that everyone would like in a midfielder. I have taken into account the fact that Campbell and Gulden are smallish players, so would prefer to draft a bigger midfielder in this year. The one thing that's difficult to assess is the risk of taking a player who has had an ACL injury, because that involves a medical evaluation and is therefore something I'm not qualified to make a judgment on. But surely he is being considered by the club and a medical assessment will be made, and the club with take that into account on how they rank the players in this draft.

Might be one of the "drifters" in the draft.

[Nico]

The difference between then and now, was, at that time, we were regularly at the bottom of the heap and we getting "better" draft picks, but because an hour on a plane is too far away from mummy, we couldn't retain them.
Yes, I'm STILL looking at you Anthony Rocca.
Now, due to our success, we rarely get a "better" draft pick.
Hope they pick a ruckman.

When Bolton and Fosdike started our reserves were Port Melbourne, so they often travelled to Melbourne and were in and out of the team. Don't know what Eades flawed thinking was, certainly not for development reasons (did the same with Goodes), but when Roos took over they both immediately became permamnent fixtures in the ones.

[stevoswan]

I think Cutler and Taylor just wanted to move clubs in order to get more opportunity to play. Both had been regulars in the side, especially Taylor, until this season. Cutler also had some 'go home' issues, as they do. Keays hasn't performed all that well. The surprise for me was delisting Robertson, who I would rate higher than CEY. bu CEY is more an inside midfielder and Robertson a tagger or outside players, or has played that role for the most part, so seems more positional swap.

Yes, I was surprised when Robertson was delisted by the Lions. He came in to the team for their last final, replacing the injured Robinson and ended up being one of their best players.....in a final. I'd have thought that counted for something.....

[Nico]

Yes, I was surprised when Robertson was delisted by the Lions. He came in to the team for their last final, replacing the injured Robinson and ended up being one of their best players.....in a final. I'd have thought that counted for something.....

Certain to be picked up. We actually need another of him. Maybe release Hewett as a genuine mid.

[Beerman]

The difference between then and now, was, at that time, we were regularly at the bottom of the heap and we getting "better" draft picks[...]
Now, due to our success, we rarely get a "better" draft pick.

Really? In the past 10 years, we've had, 5 top-10 picks. And 2 of those were top-5 players. That's despite playing in finals every year except 1 (2009), including 3 grand finals and winning one. That's a pretty good haul.

2018 pick 10 Nick Blakey
2015 pick 3 Callum Mills
2014 pick "18" (effectively about pick 3 or 4 if ) Isaac Heeney
2011 pick "21" (effectively about pick 10 or 11 IIRC) Tom Mitchell
2009 pick 6 Gary Rohan

[Aaron]

I agree with Ludwig that we should have Brodie Kemp as our first pick (if Green is already taken). We can wait and I think he will be less inclined to "go home" when lured. Moreover, we should take Nick Robertson from the Lions. His big body will be a great help to our relatively younger side. Anyhow, I suddenly recall a memory of us recruiting Mitch Morton who eventually played an important role in the 2012 GF.

[liz]

Really? In the past 10 years, we've had, 5 top-10 picks. And 2 of those were top-5 players. That's despite playing in finals every year except 1 (2009), including 3 grand finals and winning one. That's a pretty good haul.

2018 pick 10 Nick Blakey
2015 pick 3 Callum Mills
2014 pick "18" (effectively about pick 3 or 4 if ) Isaac Heeney
2011 pick "21" (effectively about pick 10 or 11 IIRC) Tom Mitchell
2009 pick 6 Gary Rohan

I think the distinction with our more recent "top 10 picks" is that we didn't actually get to choose a player. We just got to take the one (in each year) that was available to us. Thus we didn't have a "top 10 selection" per se, because there was no active selection to be done.