2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[stevoswan]

I love our recruiting. I have fond memories of Schnieder and Buchanan. There was a great thread on RWO about lord of the rings...

That's gold!

[Melbourne_Blood]

2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

Hawks just acquired Sam Frost from Melbourne too. I'm intrigued by Brand because Swans don't normally bring in mature aged players without having a role in the 22 for them to play.

I'd say he's competing with Melican for the lockdown role formerly played by Reg. Rampe isn't tall enough to really play it but has been doing it by default. AA is an interceptor so in fact other than Brand/Maibaum it's Melican or bust.

Who was available with our pick 25 /32 that we missed out on?

My thoughts, perhaps it’s to release Rampe to Mills role , to release Mills to the middle ... ? Hopefully anyway

Edit- I’m not suggesting anyone can replace Rampe , who is a star , more that he could be playing more to his size , which would allow Mills to go and win the pill out of the guts like he was born to do.
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[Auntie.Gerald]

Swans team 2020 - have I missed anyone? :

FB: Oriordan, Rampe, Lloyd
HB: Mills, AA, Dawson
C: Florent, Kennedy, Rowbottom
R: Naismith, Parker, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Reid, Blakey
FF: Heeney, Franklin, Papley

INT:
19. McCartin
20. Gray
21. Cunningham
22. Lewis Taylor
23. Ronke
24. Sinclair
25. McInerney
26. Brand
27. Stoddart
28. Melican
29. Clarke
30. Amartey
31. Fox
32. Ling
33. Thurlow
34. Foot
35. Bell
36. Pick 5
37. Pick 25
38. Pick 32
39. Pick 44
40. Bennell?

41. Oconnor
42. Reynolds
43. Knoll
44. McLean
45. Wicks
46. ?
47. ?

[SeanM]

I think it is

34 senior players (assuming Bell is now on the senior list)
4 cat A rookies
2 cat B rookies

I am guessing
4 players at the draft
2 cat A rookies (possibly redraft Maibaum as a rookie)
1 cat B academy player

[bloodspirit]

Swans team 2020 - have I missed anyone? :

FB: Oriordan, Rampe, Lloyd
HB: Mills, AA, Dawson
C: Florent, Kennedy, Rowbottom
R: Naismith, Parker, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Reid, Blakey
FF: Heeney, Franklin, Papley

INT:
19. McCartin
20. Gray
21. Cunningham
22. Lewis Taylor
23. Ronke
24. Sinclair
25. McInerney
26. Brand
27. Stoddart
28. Melican
29. Clarke
30. Amartey
31. Fox
32. Ling
33. Thurlow
34. Foot
35. Bell
36. Pick 5
37. Pick 25
38. Pick 32
39. Pick 44
40. Bennell?

41. Oconnor
42. Reynolds
43. Knoll
44. McLean
45. Wicks
46. ?
47. ?

Nice effort, AG. Glad Hewett made the 22 this time. My main thought is that I think we'll play with an extra KPD, most likely Melican, in the 22. The tough question is who goes out if everyone is fit? I would say one of Gray or Taylor but I suspect they have been offered first crack at a best 22 spot. Alternatively Reid and McCartin can swing back to help the defence as seems implicit in the team you have named. The only other player in that team who I can see having to feel a smidge nervous is COR.

My second, minor thought is that Bell should be listed closer to the 22. The arrival of Taylor and Gray isn't great for him.

Third thought is it is hard to see us seriously contending with that team next year. The talent is there but needs more seasoning and possibly lacks a little leadership unless the second and third tiers of leaders really step up. Second tier is Papley, Heeney, Mills. Who is third tier? Florent? McCartin (maybe not yet, in just his third season)? Hewett? Lloyd? Cunningham? Of those, in 2020, I reckon Florent and Hewett are best chances to join the leadership group.

[Blood Fever]

Swans team 2020 - have I missed anyone? :

FB: Oriordan, Rampe, Lloyd
HB: Mills, AA, Dawson
C: Florent, Kennedy, Rowbottom
R: Naismith, Parker, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Reid, Blakey
FF: Heeney, Franklin, Papley

INT:
19. McCartin
20. Gray
21. Cunningham
22. Lewis Taylor
23. Ronke
24. Sinclair
25. McInerney
26. Brand
27. Stoddart
28. Melican
29. Clarke
30. Amartey
31. Fox
32. Ling
33. Thurlow
34. Foot
35. Bell
36. Pick 5
37. Pick 25
38. Pick 32
39. Pick 44
40. Bennell?

41. Oconnor
42. Reynolds
43. Knoll
44. McLean
45. Wicks
46. ?
47. ?

Team looks good AG. Now that we have more zip, I wonder if we play 2 rucks depending on match ups(Sinclair). Depending on injuries, looks a very competitive team with a lot more depth.

[lwjoyner]

cant see why we recruited gray, we have a few that plays like him. brand is for a backup Maiburn extremely unlucky

[Ralph Dawg]

Swans team 2020 - have I missed anyone? :

FB: Oriordan, Rampe, Lloyd
HB: Mills, AA, Dawson
C: Florent, Kennedy, Rowbottom
R: Naismith, Parker, Hewett
HF: Hayward, Reid, Blakey
FF: Heeney, Franklin, Papley

INT:
19. McCartin
20. Gray
21. Cunningham
22. Lewis Taylor
23. Ronke
24. Sinclair
25. McInerney
26. Brand
27. Stoddart
28. Melican
29. Clarke
30. Amartey
31. Fox
32. Ling
33. Thurlow
34. Foot
35. Bell
36. Pick 5
37. Pick 25
38. Pick 32
39. Pick 44
40. Bennell?

41. Oconnor
42. Reynolds
43. Knoll
44. McLean
45. Wicks
46. ?
47. ?

We look a little stronger for 2020 with our new recruits (should do better than last year's) and our youngsters, who will be better for another years experience.


I'm still not convinced by Naismith. It seems that the game has moved passed having a big guy who's main contribution is at the stoppages and the ruckman is now expected to contribute in all facets of the game. Although Sinclair is not fantastic at the tap, he gets around the park well and is more of a competitor than Naismith. Teams like Richmond and GWS demonstrated that you don't need to win the tap to win the clearances.

Changes in 2020 I'd like to see:
1) Reid in defence, McCartain starting at FF / CHF depending on how Buddy is used.
2) Rampe intercepting / run off HB. Mills to play on ball.
3) Heeney and Paps to spend more time in the midfield, either on ball or on a wing.
4) Squizzy and Gray to fill void left by Heeney and Paps up forward.

I qualify these thoughts by declaring I am only qualified to coach up to an U9 level!

[rb4x]

Hi AG
A bit depressing looking at that team. Has very good depth in most areas but seems to lack something in your top 18 or 22 that will make it difficult to see us winning against the top teams. This is unlike this time last year when I thought we looked very competitive but were let down by injuries to a raft of experienced players. I did not predict McVeigh, Franklin, Jack, Smith, Grundy, Cunningham, Maibaum, Naismith, Cameron, and Menzel contributing virtually zip as a group. Was hoping for more from Ronke, Clarke and Thurlow as well though with not too much anticipation on the latter two but just hoping they were diamonds in the rough but not the quartz they turned out to be. The three we have brought in seem to be more as replacements for our delisted players rather than the senior players we have lost so I can not see the great improvement that we need. No doubt we will get some good kids in the draft but finals in 2020 look hard from here.

With Gray and Taylor coming in surely Bennell is no longer in the frame.

[Melbourne_Blood]

We look a little stronger for 2020 with our new recruits (should do better than last year's) and our youngsters, who will be better for another years experience.


I'm still not convinced by Naismith. It seems that the game has moved passed having a big guy who's main contribution is at the stoppages and the ruckman is now expected to contribute in all facets of the game. Although Sinclair is not fantastic at the tap, he gets around the park well and is more of a competitor than Naismith. Teams like Richmond and GWS demonstrated that you don't need to win the tap to win the clearances.

Changes in 2020 I'd like to see:
1) Reid in defence, McCartain starting at FF / CHF depending on how Buddy is used.
2) Rampe intercepting / run off HB. Mills to play on ball.
3) Heeney and Paps to spend more time in the midfield, either on ball or on a wing.
4) Squizzy and Gray to fill void left by Heeney and Paps up forward.

I qualify these thoughts by declaring I am only qualified to coach up to an U9 level!

Agree with all of that RD.

Much Prefer McCartin up front to Reid ( if one of them has to move which is probably the case ) . Tom reminds me a bit of a young Nick Riewoldt , great hands, great competitor and good tank. Maybe not the greatest kick but can improve that.

I think Parker and Joey will spend some more time forward to allow more on ball minuted for Heeney and Mills, we need to try a few different mixes in there this year. Obviously that includes Florent, Paps and young Rowbottom should get a few more minutes in there too.




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[Captain]

I like the acquisition of Gray!

The glaring problem is our midfield. Kennedy, Parker and Hewett are all too slow.

Hopefully we see Heeney, Papley and Mills all move into the midfield or on the wings. We also need Florent and Rowbottom to show improvement and take the next steps.

[Aprilbr]

We need to remember that we rarely see our absolute best team picked because of injuries. In fact, our two premiership years were exceptions where we had a great run with injuries. Across the last few seasons (like a number of other teams) we have suffered from the unavailability of key players. Our squad looks to have more depth going into this next season based on the fact that most of our aging players (and therefore more prone to injury) are gone. Hopefully the replacements being younger will play full seasons. Natural improvement should be expected from our under 22 year players. There should be healthy competition for spots. Still looks to be an over-reliance on Buddy up forward. Also a lack of midfield class unless someone has a breakout year there. Western Bulldogs benefited greatly last year when they moved Dunkley from forward to midfield and he turned into a top liner there. We desperately need someone to do something like that.

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[Markwebbos]

I like the acquisition of Gray!

The glaring problem is our midfield. Kennedy, Parker and Hewett are all too slow.

Hopefully we see Heeney, Papley and Mills all move into the midfield or on the wings. We also need Florent and Rowbottom to show improvement and take the next steps.

Florent showed some very promising signs in three of the last four games this year when he played at the coalface. I would expect that move to become permanent in 2020.

Round 22 v Demons: 28 touches, 12 contested, 4 clearances
Round 21 v Port: 29, 12 and 9
Round 20 v Giants: 28, 7 and 4

[Ralph Dawg]

We need to remember that we rarely see our absolute best team picked because of injuries. In fact, our two premiership years were exceptions where we had a great run with injuries. Across the last few seasons (like a number of other teams) we have suffered from the unavailability of key players. Our squad looks to have more depth going into this next season based on the fact that most of our aging players (and therefore more prone to injury) are gone. Hopefully the replacements being younger will play full seasons. Natural improvement should be expected from our under 22 year players. There should be healthy competition for spots. Still looks to be an over-reliance on Buddy up forward. Also a lack of midfield class unless someone has a breakout year there. Western Bulldogs benefited greatly last year when they moved Dunkley from forward to midfield and he turned into a top liner there. We desperately need someone to do something like that.

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It would be great to see any number of Heeney, Mills, Papley and Florent become top line midfielders. I'm optimistic at least one of them will come through next year.

I wonder if it would be worth Blakey playing more on a wing? His disposal by foot is elite and he has pace to burn. Coupled with height and one more year to bulk up, he could be a very tough match up in his second year.

[stevoswan]

cant see why we recruited gray, we have a few that plays like him. brand is for a backup Maiburn extremely unlucky

I think Gray will be picked for increased midfield duties....and I think we'll keep Maibaum via the rookie draft.