2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[stevoswan]

Jack Martin is demanding a 5 year deal, including $1m in 2020! He 's expected to walk to Carlton with this demand. I'm now wondering if this will increase Carlton's cap squeeze to the point where they won't able to make another attract offer to Papley next year?

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Geeze, if Martin's worth that, what would Papley be expecting Carlton to come up with.....he's way better than Martin.

[Markwebbos]

Geeze, if Martin's worth that, what would Papley be expecting Carlton to come up with.....he's way better than Martin.

I presume its designed to scare everyone else off. I would like to know whether it works like a RFA - that is Carlton have to actually meet his demands, and stick to them, rather than just be used as a tactic. Does anyone know how it works?

[Auntie.Gerald]

Lachie Ash highlights | Draft Prospect | 2019 | AFL - YouTube

If we took lachie ash in the draft who is a very quick but strong fast cut off 187cm defender would he start in 2020 or at least play 15 games plus off HBF ?

Mills came into the starting team as a first year player off HBF and is not as good as Ash off HBF in his draft year

I suspect Ash could make our 22 in his first year and be a better player the Mills in his first year

[Legs Akimbo]

I suspect Ash could make our 22 in his first year and be a better player the Mills in his first year

Really? I reckon Mills is a gun. Here's an interesting thing Mills 189cm 83cm. Paul Roos, an all time legend centre half back 188cm 88cm,

I know i am in the minority but i love Mills just where he is - and I love Heeney playing as a forward.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Hey legs

My post above said at the same age

Mills in his first year was serviceable in the backline

Ash appears to be a fair way ahead as HBF at the same age ie 18yrs old

If that is the way we go

[Bexl]

Strangely enough the players that get homesick for Melbourne, always seem to get homesick for a single club in Melbourne. Which makes the whole thing complete BS even without the increase in salary that a change of club always entails. And yes it works both ways, a player that proclaims his desire to escape Melbourne's intrusive media and play for the Swans looks just as ingenuous when the move is accompanied by a monster pay packet.

In the case of players moving back to Melbourne, it' not just the pay rise they will get from their new club, there's far more opportunities to profit in the Melbourne goldfish bowl. More 3rd party agreements, more sponsorship money, more media appearances, more free coffees, more being treated like a demi-god wherever you go, all of which must appeal to both the avaricious and the narcissistic hot-house brats that the elite under age sport industry seems to churn out.

I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

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[stevoswan]

There have been rumours that KB might replace SOS at Carlton. Hopefully this is just a rumour. If it's true, could a diminished role for KB at the Swans have played a role in him seeking work elsewhere?

It was reported that Carlton had their sights on KB.....not that he was "seeking work elsewhere". Big difference!

[707]

Hey legs

My post above said at the same age

Mills in his first year was serviceable in the backline

Ash appears to be a fair way ahead as HBF at the same age ie 18yrs old

If that is the way we go

You're comparing a player at AFL level playing against men in a cut throat comp to a player against skinny kids at the unaccountable U18 level?

Get a grip Auntie, waaaaaaay more difficult at AFL level. Ash is not in pick 5/6 discussion I'd suggest.

If you're comparing their U18 years, Mills was a midfielder and injured and from memory put on ice for the season

[Melbourne_Blood]

Hey legs

My post above said at the same age

Mills in his first year was serviceable in the backline

Ash appears to be a fair way ahead as HBF at the same age ie 18yrs old

If that is the way we go

Serviceable? Did he not win the rising star award ? More than serviceable I would’ve thought. He slotted straight it into a defence that nearly won a flag and was awarded the gong for the best young player in the comp in the process. As a speedy running type half back, yes he looks better at that than Mills but thats comparing apples and oranges.


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[Legs Akimbo]

Hey legs

My post above said at the same age

Mills in his first year was serviceable in the backline

Ash appears to be a fair way ahead as HBF at the same age ie 18yrs old

If that is the way we go

Ah, pronoun 'his' was Ash not Mills! I see. Mills did kind of win the rising star though...

[troyjones2525]

Just a theory. We all know GWS have attempted to move up the draft board to pick a player before a bid comes for Green. That makes me think that they likely have a player in mind that they really like.

Let's just for argument sake say it's Luke Jackson, who has become the huge bolter as far as the media is concerned talking him up as a chance for Melbourne picking him at 3 and again us at 5.

What if Melbourne don't pick him and neither does Adelaide and neither of them bid on Green either.

Our pick comes up and we bid on Green to fill a need as expected which also leaves Jackson available with the next pick!

Do you think that GWS will rate Jackson as a bigger need for their list and not match the bid???

Could be a fascinating situation if it plays out like this and could also turn out to be a great result for us as Green is rated as a fantastic inside midfield prospect which is a big need for us going forward!

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[Markwebbos]

Just a theory. We all know GWS have attempted to move up the draft board to pick a player before a bid comes for Green. That makes me think that they likely have a player in mind that they really like.

Let's just for argument sake say it's Luke Jackson, who has become the huge bolter as far as the media is concerned talking him up as a chance for Melbourne picking him at 3 and again us at 5.

What if Melbourne don't pick him and neither does Adelaide and neither of them bid on Green either.

Our pick comes up and we bid on Green to fill a need as expected which also leaves Jackson available with the next pick!

Do you think that GWS will rate Jackson as a bigger need for their list and not match the bid???

Could be a fascinating situation if it plays out like this and could also turn out to be a great result for us as Green is rated as a fantastic inside midfield prospect which is a big need for us going forward!

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I’m definitely hoping GWS will not match a bid for Green.

[dazedjosh]

I agree. I'd be stoked if we landed Green. But at pick 5, it costs GWS nothing extra to match our bid with pick 6 thanks to the 20% discount. So they would have no reason not to match the bid on Green, who is heavily rated as their 3rd best player in this draft.

Not matching a bid on a kid that talented is the sort of thing that comes back to haunt a team.

[Ludwig]

Just a theory. We all know GWS have attempted to move up the draft board to pick a player before a bid comes for Green. That makes me think that they likely have a player in mind that they really like.

Let's just for argument sake say it's Luke Jackson, who has become the huge bolter as far as the media is concerned talking him up as a chance for Melbourne picking him at 3 and again us at 5.

What if Melbourne don't pick him and neither does Adelaide and neither of them bid on Green either.

Our pick comes up and we bid on Green to fill a need as expected which also leaves Jackson available with the next pick!

Do you think that GWS will rate Jackson as a bigger need for their list and not match the bid???

Could be a fascinating situation if it plays out like this and could also turn out to be a great result for us as Green is rated as a fantastic inside midfield prospect which is a big need for us going forward!

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I don't think GWS necessarily have to have a specific player in mind to move further up the draft to secure another top 10 pick in addition to Green.

I've said in an earlier post that if it should happen that we come to pick 5 and no bid has been made on Green, then GWS will try to do a deal to trade with us to move up one position, possibly exchanging pick 6 and a 2020 2nd rounder for pick 5, so they can secure another player with pick 5. We then bid on Green at pick 6 and GWS matches the bid to secure Green as well and we go on to take a selection at pick 6.

GWS get 2 players in the top 6 instead of just 1 and we probably get the player we want anyway plus add to the booty for the 2020 draft.

[Jimitron5000]

What about offering Melbourne picks 5 and 25 for pick 3? It would allow us to get Green (possibly) and not mess up Melbourne's drafting of Jackson (probably)