2019 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Mr Magoo]

GWS has four players with they want to pick up, but limited points.

They have picks 6, 40, 59, 60, 80 & 94. All these points add up to 2,484.

A bid on Green at 4 or 5 will only use 2034 or 1878.

A Melbourne bid how ever will use up 2234.

So our pick 44, 362, will force them in to deficit.

So we can just keep bidding on the other GWS players until they break.

The other players are very good.

Like Liam Delahunty forward 192cm 90kg ; Matthew McGrory elite endurance runner 186 cm 74kg; Nick Murray 193 cm 92kg defender.

There is some rich picking here, far better than some other picks.

Dont think you should get too tied up in who to poach from GWS. Its not their own academy kids who they have massively benefitted from over the past few years. The Swans at the same age level have generally had the wood over them in academy games and this isnt due to campbell and gulden.

For every delahunty theres an ellem , for mcgrory - Sam Thorne , for Murray - Parks and there are others as well . Far better for the swans to go for the academy player who is of similar mold and who is invested in the swans than thinking that GWS has a better crop.

[lwjoyner]

Maybe we can pick up Jackson and e could become the next Pendles with his basket ball background even though he is taller.

[stevoswan]

I think a lot of them want to play for a big Melbourne club in front of 90,000. And quite a few take a pay cut to do so.

Bloody hell. I was drinking my morning cuppa when I read that........now I have to dry the keyboard!

[Mr Magoo]

Maybe we can pick up Jackson and e could become the next Pendles with his basket ball background even though he is taller.

In my experience there is a big big difference between a ruckman that is mobile compared to a large mobile midfielder. If this guy has played a ruck role throughout juniors and hes not an overly tall ruckman then that suggests to me that they dont see him as a midfielder. Better to go for a slightly smaller but more skilful midfielder in the draft than to think your going to turn a ruckman into one. Might be something you do on a pick fifty option but certainly not on pick 6

[Mr Magoo]

Bloody hell. I was drinking my morning cuppa when I read that........now I have to dry the keyboard!

Got to agree with Stevo on this, few I am aware of have taken a pay cut to go to a melbourne club. Some might reject the offer there current club has on the table to take slightly less from a melbourne club but I can pretty much guarantee there are underlying third party inducements in the offing and they will end up better off in the end financially.

I can understand the go home factor to be honest. I work in the large construction sector and we constantly battle the go home factor. If there is an option to work in your home town for the same money as somewhere interstate then people will generally take the go home option. If we have a project in a remote/ unattractive location we generally have to pay additional allowances to get the best people.

Football is no different and hence why the scrapping of the allowances to the northern clubs was a farce.

Until the Northern clubs are in a position to recruit as easily as the SA and WA clubs from their own "market" the go home factor is going to be a problem for the northern clubs as its all one way.

The Swans (and the AFL for that matter) have no greater motivator then this to get their academy program right. If there was a situation whereby the Swans (or any other team generally ) could recruit say four kids from their academy each year , then the go home problem dissipates and may start to work in reverse as kids look to come home to Sydney even when not drafted by the swans in the first place.

[stevoswan]

It does seem like the 'go home' factor has become more of an issue since COLA was ceased for the northern clubs.....do others concur? I suppose this 'phenomena' has been exacerbated by 'free agency' as well.....leading to a double 'kick in the guts' for the northern clubs and a 'free kick' for southern, particularly Victorian, clubs.....not to mention the far greater potential for 'third party' back scratching down south to sweeten the 'go home' deal.

[Mark26]

It does seem like the 'go home' factor has become more of an issue since COLA was ceased for the northern clubs.....do others concur? I suppose this 'phenomena' has been exacerbated by 'free agency' as well.....leading to a double 'kick in the guts' for the northern clubs and a 'free kick' for southern, particularly Victorian, clubs.....not to mention the far greater potential for 'third party' back scratching down south to sweeten the 'go home' deal.

I'd love to see some stats on this, but wouldn't know where to begin. It would be an interesting comparison for the past decade across all states focusing on the 'go home' reason for trade.

[Pmcc2911]

Have been watching Delahunty for a couple of years, he is a very good player, with lots of upside.

[Doctor J.]

Strangely enough the players that get homesick for Melbourne, always seem to get homesick for a single club in Melbourne. Which makes the whole thing complete BS even without the increase in salary that a change of club always entails. And yes it works both ways, a player that proclaims his desire to escape Melbourne's intrusive media and play for the Swans looks just as ingenuous when the move is accompanied by a monster pay packet.

In the case of players moving back to Melbourne, it' not just the pay rise they will get from their new club, there's far more opportunities to profit in the Melbourne goldfish bowl. More 3rd party agreements, more sponsorship money, more media appearances, more free coffees, more being treated like a demi-god wherever you go, all of which must appeal to both the avaricious and the narcissistic hot-house brats that the elite under age sport industry seems to churn out.

I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

No you don't. You are spot on with your comments

[KSAS]

Jack Martin is demanding a 5 year deal, including $1m in 2020! He 's expected to walk to Carlton with this demand. I'm now wondering if this will increase Carlton's cap squeeze to the point where they won't able to make another attract offer to Papley next year?

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[dazedjosh]

Carlton have some big names nearing the end of their career coming out of contract at the end of 2020 (Kreuzer, Murphy, Simpson, E Curnow, Betts, Casboult), but they also have some young guys coming up for renewal (McGovern, Marchbank, Setterfield, Poulson, Newnes). Their cap status will be up in the air for some time. They also have Cripps, Weitering, and McKay in 2021 so they have a bit of a balancing act ahead of them.

[Captain]

Strangely enough the players that get homesick for Melbourne, always seem to get homesick for a single club in Melbourne. Which makes the whole thing complete BS even without the increase in salary that a change of club always entails. And yes it works both ways, a player that proclaims his desire to escape Melbourne's intrusive media and play for the Swans looks just as ingenuous when the move is accompanied by a monster pay packet.

In the case of players moving back to Melbourne, it' not just the pay rise they will get from their new club, there's far more opportunities to profit in the Melbourne goldfish bowl. More 3rd party agreements, more sponsorship money, more media appearances, more free coffees, more being treated like a demi-god wherever you go, all of which must appeal to both the avaricious and the narcissistic hot-house brats that the elite under age sport industry seems to churn out.

I need a cup of tea and a lie down.

This sums it all up. Great post!

[Mr Magoo]

Have been watching Delahunty for a couple of years, he is a very good player, with lots of upside.

He maybe the reason they want to get green early . I dont think Delahunty will go that low in the draft but leaves GWS in a good position should anyone go after him after they take Green.

[bloodspirit]

This article explains the roles of recruiting managers and distinguishes their roles from the 'list manager': So you want to be an AFL recruiter? Here's how it can be done - AFL.com.au. Recruiting managers are described as having "the final call" on who the team drafts. Our 'recruiting manager' is Simon Dalrymple. The implication is that when it comes to drafting specifically, his say counts for more than KB's. Possibly the roles vary from club to club and it might be different at the Swans. I am slightly surprised because I thought of SD as KB's 'right hand man', so to speak and didn't realise that SD would have overriding responsibility for drafting decisions. So maybe it's different at the Swans. Or, possibly, KB used to have this responsibility before SD joined the club and now he still has a key role but is more focused on trade? This would fit, given that SD is senior and experienced in his own right and made a name for himself with some excellent drafting work at the Bulldogs.

There have been rumours that KB might replace SOS at Carlton. Hopefully this is just a rumour. If it's true, could a diminished role for KB at the Swans have played a role in him seeking work elsewhere?

It would be interesting to understand better the differences between the roles of KB, SD and Charlie Gardiner. CG evidently had an important role during the trade period along with KB.

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He maybe the reason they want to get green early . I dont think Delahunty will go that low in the draft but leaves GWS in a good position should anyone go after him after they take Green.

What do you mean? I don't follow. The later in the draft that Green goes, the better for the Giants, especially if they want to draft Delahunty too and may need to match a bid for him.

[Markwebbos]

This article explains the roles of recruiting managers and distinguishes their roles from the 'list manager': So you want to be an AFL recruiter? Here's how it can be done - AFL.com.au. Recruiting managers are described as having "the final call" on who the team drafts. Our 'recruiting manager' is Simon Dalrymple. The implication is that when it comes to drafting specifically, his say counts for more than KB's. Possibly the roles vary from club to club and it might be different at the Swans. I am slightly surprised because I thought of SD as KB's 'right hand man', so to speak and didn't realise that SD would have overriding responsibility for drafting decisions. So maybe it's different at the Swans. Or, possibly, KB used to have this responsibility before SD joined the club and now he still has a key role but is more focused on trade? This would fit, given that SD is senior and experienced in his own right and made a name for himself with some excellent drafting work at the Bulldogs.

There have been rumours that KB might replace SOS at Carlton. Hopefully this is just a rumour. If it's true, could a diminished role for KB at the Swans have played a role in him seeking work elsewhere?

It would be interesting to understand better the differences between the roles of KB, SD and Charlie Gardiner. CG evidently had an important role during the trade period along with KB.

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What do you mean? I don't follow. The later in the draft that Green goes, the better for the Giants, especially if they want to draft Delahunty too and may need to match a bid for him.

I think a Recruiting Manager is in charge of recruitment (new players), so the buck stops with them as far as recruiting goes. BUT they work under the list manager, who is in charge of the bigger picture... So KB says he wants a tall forward, it's SD's job (and responsibility) to find that person.

Michael Agresta, ex Swans is now working at Carlton, so there is a connection there to lure KB. It may be that the Swans brought in SD expecting that KB would want to move on sometime - i.e. he is being groomed as his successor.

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What do you mean? I don't follow. The later in the draft that Green goes, the better for the Giants, especially if they want to draft Delahunty too and may need to match a bid for him.

GWS moving up the draft makes no sense if they want to match a bid on Green. It will be a failure unless they get a player before Green or they pass on him.