#AFL Round 22 Weekly Discussion Thread

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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11355

    #16
    Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
    Tend to agree , the pressure that builds within a club when a coach is in the crosshairs must be horrible . Then that pressure release once they are gone, massive relief. . Hard to judge the interim results . Have to wait and see next year when they have all the pressures and expectations of a full time senior coach , not a caretaker . I think in Teagues case at least he has a lot of experience and has done a proper apprenticeship . Shaw is the one who probably has a senior job a fair bit earlier than even he would have expected.


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    But it must come to a point where recycling "senior" coaches comes to a tipping point. Examples are Walls and Pagan where they produced nothing in the end. I think Teague has a better chance of success, as I see it North has a fair bit of rebuilding to do. To me Melbourne is the club that is in all sorts of strife. Their expressionless coach doesn't inspire no matter how much of a good bloke he is. Once the Roos factor ebbed away their demise was swift.
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    • Markwebbos
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      • Jul 2016
      • 7186

      #17
      Dees drop down has been dramatic. Surely they’ll go better next year. You wonder if our 2017 season could have gone the same way?

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      • Markwebbos
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        • Jul 2016
        • 7186

        #18
        Originally posted by stevoswan
        Teague to be officially appointed senior coach of Carlton. The 'training wheels' are off!

        From caretaker to full-time: Teague to be named Blues coach - AFL.com.au
        Now I wonder if the timing has anything to do with Stephen Coniglio’s decisión making?

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        • barry
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          • Jan 2003
          • 8499

          #19
          Originally posted by Markwebbos
          Dees drop down has been dramatic. Surely they’ll go better next year. You wonder if our 2017 season could have gone the same way?
          Disregarding the hype, our drop is almost as dramatic:

          2018 End of H&A.. Melb 5th, Sydney 6th
          2019 20 rounds: Melbourne 17th (-12). Sydney 15th (-9)

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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            #20
            Originally posted by barry
            Disregarding the hype, our drop is almost as dramatic:

            2018 End of H&A.. Melb 5th, Sydney 6th
            2019 20 rounds: Melbourne 17th (-12). Sydney 15th (-9)
            Nah. We limped into finals and were blown away in the first week after an abject showing and were widely tipped to fall out of the 8 this year. Melbourne stormed to a prelim before being shown the door and were regarded as being a flag contender this year and coming into their prime. The numbers you've selected don't tell the whole story.
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            • Doctor J.
              Senior Player
              • Feb 2003
              • 1310

              #21
              Originally posted by KSAS
              Heard Jarry Roughead's retirement press conference this morning & glad he is getting a farewell game this weekend. He mentioned his favourite footy moment which gave him the most pleasure, was the bone crunching tackle he laid on Daniel Hannebery at the start of the 2014 GF, which signalled their intent to revenge their 2012 GF loss to us. Hawks supporters then ringing up saying it was a memorable moment they haven't forgotten. Hanners was definitely a targeted man by the Hawks.
              Yeah good on him. Nothing but a weak, pathetic, gutless, @@@@@.
              He hung back and waited until the player who actually went and got the ball was totally unprotected and he then crunched a player who couldn't defend himself. Such a hero.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                #22
                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                Now I wonder if the timing has anything to do with Stephen Coniglio’s decisión making?
                You're not the only one wondering about this: Rightly or wrongly, the Blues were backed into a corner on Teague. Interesting article suggesting that maybe the Blues board was backed into a corner about selecting Teague.
                All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                • stevoswan
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                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8578

                  #23
                  Originally posted by barry
                  I think Teague and Shaw could be fools gold.
                  What this Saga has told me is that having a coach fighting for his job ( like Bolton and Scott) is the worst sort of coach, as they are defensive, conservative and it rubs off on the players.
                  Any coach is better, so the caretakers look good. But are they the best available?
                  Like Roos?

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                  • barry
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                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    #24
                    Originally posted by stevoswan
                    Like Roos?
                    Are you suggesting Roos was a bad coach ?

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                    • stevoswan
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                      • Sep 2014
                      • 8578

                      #25
                      Originally posted by barry
                      Are you suggesting Roos was a bad coach ?
                      How do you figure that? You said "Any coach is better, so the caretakers look good. But are they the best available?"

                      I'm saying yes, they often are.

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                      • barry
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                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        #26
                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        Nah. We limped into finals and were blown away in the first week after an abject showing and were widely tipped to fall out of the 8 this year. Melbourne stormed to a prelim before being shown the door and were regarded as being a flag contender this year and coming into their prime. The numbers you've selected don't tell the whole story.
                        To be honest, I think your sentences sound like vic-centric media beat up. Vic-club=good. Northern-club=bad. The numbers dont lie.
                        Melbourne 2019 is what you expect from Melbourne (2018 is the only outlier)
                        Sydney 2018 is what you expect from Sydney (2019 is the only outlier)

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                        Originally posted by stevoswan
                        How do you figure that? You said "Any coach is better, so the caretakers look good. But are they the best available?"

                        I'm saying yes, they often are.
                        How often. Once ?

                        My point is, a caretaker coach is chosen from a list of 2 or 3 candidates (usually assistant coaches at the same club)
                        A senior coaching appointment is taken from all possible candidates.
                        If you take a look at this site: http://sportandhistory.com/research/...ercoaches.html You wont see many caretakers who went on to be house-hold names (bare a few rare exceptions).

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                        • bloodspirit
                          Clubman
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 4448

                          #27
                          Originally posted by barry
                          To be honest, I think your sentences sound like vic-centric media beat up. Vic-club=good. Northern-club=bad. The numbers dont lie.
                          Melbourne 2019 is what you expect from Melbourne (2018 is the only outlier)
                          Sydney 2018 is what you expect from Sydney (2019 is the only outlier)

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                          The Vic media did not invent our finals loss to GWS last year. I was there. It was dismal.

                          Punch on, barry.
                          All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                          • barry
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 8499

                            #28
                            Originally posted by bloodspirit
                            The Vic media did not invent our finals loss to GWS last year. I was there. It was dismal.

                            Punch on, barry.
                            GWS have the wood on us, and we don't play the small SCG well.

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                            • dejavoodoo44
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2015
                              • 8801

                              #29
                              Looks like the biggest crowd the Lions have had for quite a while. Usually the upper deck on the right of the screen is closed. Today there's plenty of people up there. Hopefully they'll enjoy a Lions win.

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                              • aardvark
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                                • Mar 2010
                                • 5685

                                #30
                                Ripper win by the lions today. I can't wait to see us play games like that again.

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