#AFL Finals week 2 weekly discussion thread

[barry]

Here is how toby's thing will play out.
1. GWS will successfully appeal.
2. GWS and Toby will receive death threats by the worked-to-a-frenzy Vic's
3. GWS will refuse to play at the MCG due to player safety concerns.
4. Match rescheduled to a neutral venue with no spectators (like soccer does). Spotless is free.

[Sandrevan]

I think there is a bit of a "bunker mentality" out at GWS. It's understandable that they've developed this because of the sheer
amount of criticism they've received from so many sections of the football world. Virtually all of them. It's been going on for about
eight years now, and it would take a herculean effort to not be effected by it. And right now, all they can really do to respond
to it, is to win. Going after Charlie Cameron, and Bontempelli, and Neale is an attempt to intimidate them, and stop them from
playing well. They aren't the first team to do this stuff, and they won't be the last. It doesn't always work, but it often does and
I think GWS are very desperate to win right now and will go to extraordinary lengths to do it. GWS are probably past caring
whether the football world will like or respect them, and doing it for themselves and their families and small band of supporters.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

[Bloods05]

You are many things bloods, but Numero Uno, you are a proud Victorian.

No I'm not. States and nations are meaningless abstractions to me. My tribe, however, is as real to me as viscera and blood. The Swans are my tribe.

[Bloods05]

That is a massive call Barry. Just massive.

We've all said some pretty silly stuff over the years.

This is the internet, after all.

For example, Barry said it was only Victorians who booed Adam Goodes.

[Bloods05]

4. Match rescheduled to a neutral venue with no spectators (like soccer does). Spotless is free.

Neutral?

[AnnieH]

When you slow it down, grubbygreene looks like he "tried" to rub the other bloke's eyes out.
When looked at from another angle, he arrived late, and deliberately put his hand into the other player's face.
F-ing little grub.
Suspension should stand.

Watch the frame-by-frame vision that could hurt Toby's case - AFL.com.au

[barry]

Neutral?

MCG is 'Neutral' for a grand final apparently.
I suggest Spotless as it probably the easiest/cheapest to arrange at short notice, and probably fairest to reduced Toby's (the real victim here) travel schedule.

[AnnieH]

MCG is 'Neutral' for a grand final apparently.
I suggest Spotless as it probably the easiest/cheapest to arrange at short notice, and probably fairest to reduced Toby's (the real victim here) travel schedule.

Yeah no.
What about the other 73,000 who normally attend the granny? Where are they going to sit?
"Real victim" my hairy butt!!!
Seriously, you need to have your medication looked at.

[Bloods05]

MCG is 'Neutral' for a grand final apparently.
I suggest Spotless as it probably the easiest/cheapest to arrange at short notice, and probably fairest to reduced Toby's (the real victim here) travel schedule.

Fairness matters a lot to you, doesn't it Barry?

[barry]

Yeah no.
What about the other 73,000 who normally attend the granny? Where are they going to sit?
"Real victim" my hairy butt!!!
Seriously, you need to have your medication looked at.

No, No, AnnieH you dont get it. It will be an empty stadium (see below) because the AFL lynch-mob want to kill toby.

Quite common on the continent.

The 90,000 who miss out can lay the blame squarely at the media and AFL house.

[KTigers]

No, No, AnnieH you dont get it. It will be an empty stadium (see below) because the AFL lynch-mob want to kill toby.

Quite common on the continent.

The 90,000 who miss out can lay the blame squarely at the media and AFL house.

Yes, they've done this a few times in Italy to penalise fans who were constantly racially abusing players hailing from Africa.
If the AFL had any balls (which of course they don't) they should have done this in 2015. It's a stretch to think the treatment
of young Tobes' warrants it though.

[barry]

Fairness matters a lot to you, doesn't it Barry?

You Vic's shy away from a bit of reverse 'fairness' quite quickly.

[Bloods05]

You Vic's shy away from a bit of reverse 'fairness' quite quickly.

What's reverse fairness?

[barry]

Lets change tack a little and get rid of all this moralising

What do you think the odds (rightly or wrongly) of the two suspensions being overturned. ?

I would say:
Hawkins is a 40% chance of playing Friday night.
Greene is a 90% chance of playing Saturday.

[KTigers]

I would think if the Tomahawk gets off, then Tobes' chances of getting off will rise to 99%. And then the internet will crash
because of all the venting....