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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6474

    #61
    If Gould slots into the backline by some stage in 2020 season what does that mean for McCartins role in 2020 for a Snr team top heavy with forward talls ?

    are we going to see Reid play 40% ruck ? and McCartin only a forward if injuries are minimal ?
    Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 3 December 2019, 07:47 AM.
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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    • 707
      Veterans List
      • Aug 2009
      • 6204

      #62
      Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
      If Gould mean that we dont need McCartin sliding down back by some stage in 2020 season what does that mean for McCartins role in 2020 for the Snr team top heavy with forward talls ?
      Reid & Buddy FF/CHF, McCartin is the rotation. Blakey is not a "tall" nor will he be stationed as a KPF. If Naismith is fit I'm not sure of Sinkers role. overstocked on quality KPF, rarely happens :-) Also, not sure how we fit Joe D in for 2021!

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6474

        #63
        it is making we wonder if Mills could come from being a midfielder and start in his first season at the Swans as a HBF / tagging role could Gould do the same but even better given his experience as a HBF playing already for Norwood Snrs

        ie Gould not play tall but rather play on players same height through to mid talls and play more as a HBF?

        we all know that most players when they come into Snrs are given more defensive roles to forge this ability for themself and the team but also simplify the task at hand when suddenly being thrown into Snr AFL against great players/coaches who can make life hell

        Dawson going down the left as a HBF and Gould zipping down the right as a HBF looks pretty exciting.......a SA revolution........with Lloyd and AA linking to these to SA boys outside run and deft kicking
        Last edited by Auntie.Gerald; 3 December 2019, 08:43 AM.
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Bexl
          Regular in the Side
          • Jan 2003
          • 817

          #64
          A few people on here are talking about Gould coming into the team, which I think is a very good chance at sometime this next season, but I think the player with the best chance to play early is the number 5 pick Stephens.

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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            #65
            Originally posted by Bexl
            A few people on here are talking about Gould coming into the team, which I think is a very good chance at sometime this next season, but I think the player with the best chance to play early is the number 5 pick Stephens.
            I agree, Bexl.

            Conversely I struggle to see Gould being used primarily in a tagging role, partly because his offensive game is his great strength, and partly because his weakness currently is his tank. He himself says in the interview on the website since he arrived that that his tank is what he's going to be working on.
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            • stevoswan
              Veterans List
              • Sep 2014
              • 8543

              #66
              Originally posted by bloodspirit
              I agree, Bexl.

              Conversely I struggle to see Gould being used primarily in a tagging role, partly because his offensive game is his great strength, and partly because his weakness currently is his tank. He himself says in the interview on the website since he arrived that that his tank is what he's going to be working on.
              I agree with this. I want to see him playing for us exactly the same as in his highlights package.....turning defence into attack.

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              • aguy
                Senior Player
                • Mar 2014
                • 1324

                #67
                Originally posted by stevoswan
                I agree with this. I want to see him playing for us exactly the same as in his highlights package.....turning defence into attack.
                I agree. I think he will take Jones place but better. Different body shape completely so a better defender. The same creative running out of defence but with better skills and decision making

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                • Mark26
                  Senior Player
                  • Jan 2017
                  • 1535

                  #68
                  Originally posted by aguy
                  I agree. I think he will take Jones place but better. Different body shape completely so a better defender. The same creative running out of defence but with better skills and decision making
                  And hopefully he isn't caught holding the ball a.dozen times per match!

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                  • Blood Relative
                    Warming the Bench
                    • Oct 2018
                    • 155

                    #69
                    Gould will be given a 2nd or 3rd tall forward, and instructed to spoil, smother, tackle...defend first. Get kicks and handball off that. Allir, O'Riordan & Lloyd will be distributors.

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6474

                      #70
                      i didnt realise that Gould is also born Jan 2001 ie 19yrs old in 6 weeks time the same as Stephens D.O.B.

                      so both players lived out of home in Adelaide and with a decent amount of games in the SANFL in 2019 / and State champs maybe more ready then a lot of other top30 draftees
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • Mr Magoo
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2008
                        • 1255

                        #71
                        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                        i didnt realise that Gould is also born Jan 2001 ie 19yrs old in 6 weeks time the same as Stephens D.O.B.

                        so both players lived out of home in Adelaide and with a decent amount of games in the SANFL in 2019 / and State champs maybe more ready then a lot of other top30 draftees
                        Maybe this boosts the argument that the draft age should be increased. That way not just the early year kids have that benefit and kids who may be november / December birthdays miss out because of the same scenario.

                        Just shows how difficult it is for someone like McCartin who was at the opposite end of the spectrum to these guys but it accords with someones recent analysis in a thread here about the advantages of early year players in draft situations.

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                        • longmile
                          Crumber
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3360

                          #72
                          Originally posted by 707
                          Reid & Buddy FF/CHF, McCartin is the rotation. Blakey is not a "tall" nor will he be stationed as a KPF. If Naismith is fit I'm not sure of Sinkers role. overstocked on quality KPF, rarely happens :-) Also, not sure how we fit Joe D in for 2021!
                          Sinkers over Reid as CHF

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                          • aguy
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 1324

                            #73
                            Originally posted by longmile
                            Sinkers over Reid as CHF
                            Yes. Maybe Reid takes Melicans place in the back line.

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                            • longmile
                              Crumber
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 3360

                              #74
                              Originally posted by aguy
                              Yes. Maybe Reid takes Melicans place in the back line.
                              Agreed

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                              • graemed
                                Swans2win
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 410

                                #75
                                Originally posted by aguy
                                Yes. Maybe Reid takes Melicans place in the back line.
                                I must be watching a different Reid from you guys or maybe you're referring to the Sam Reid from GWS.
                                Whilst our Sam Reid can do a fine job covering a relief ruck, drifting down back towards the end of a quarter or taking a telling intercept mark, there is no way he has :

                                1. the discipline to play down back for a while season.

                                2. the disposal skills to link with other defenders

                                3. the acceleration to close quickly on a leading forward.

                                Melican makes errors in judgement particularly when caught out of position in a one-on-one situation but like Reid he can intercept mark. Moreover unlike Reid, he does have a defensive mindset and the discipline to stay focused in hand-overs, has genuine leg speed and is a much better kick to position.

                                Personally, I have been watching Brand since we played Hawthorn last year and he did better than break even with Franklin. He is genuine tall, has good body strength, takes a strong grab overhead and links well with other defenders.

                                On a more positive note, Sam Reid is our second best offensive target. He has improved his kicking skills, can relieve as a ruck, is an excellent pack mark and for those who remember back to 2012 was one of our stars in the last quarter of the GF, taking telling marks as a lead up target to relieve our defence. His combination with McCartin as Franklin ages, and plays more out of the goal square, will be crucial to the development of players like Blakey, Heeney and Hayward.

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