2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

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  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11339

    Originally posted by Ludwig
    It's amazing what you can learn from these journalistic stunners. You have to scroll down to the last entry, then this:


    Tom Derickx (2013)
    Delisted by:
    Richmond
    Picked up by: Sydney
    After two games in three years at Tigerland, the inexperienced ruckman was snapped up by the Swans. Had a decent first year in the Harbour City after sitting out the first round, playing 12 matches in a row. But was dropped and then knee and hamstring injuries denied him any chance of featuring in the 2014 finals series. Managed just one more game in his final two years with the Swans as Sam Naismith, Toby Nankervis and Callum Sinclair all leapfrogged him in the ruck pecking order. Retired early last month
    .



    Tom Derickx comes through again, by retiring early for the 2nd time, thus opening another spot on our list and perhaps saving the career of young player who was headed for the delisting.

    I thought I should add the pic, just so we don't forget the famous #19.




    *Just realised that Tom was listed with the MISSES. Who would have thought.

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    You're losing it Nico. You'll never make 10,000 posts.
    No prize for second Ludwig.
    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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    • stevoswan
      Veterans List
      • Sep 2014
      • 8559

      Originally posted by 707
      Jordan Roughead Dogs to Pies? Matt DeBoar Freo to GWS? Collins Freo to VFL to Suns?

      But the strike rate is very low. Can't think of any Swans that have gone elsewhere to be regulars.Players who are cut by sides are rated in the late 30s, highly unlikely that a well tried player rated there by their current club will improve by half a list to become a regular 22 somewhere else
      Membrey may be the only one.

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      • rb4x
        Regular in the Side
        • Dec 2007
        • 968

        Not quite the same but the one that really rankles with me is Josh Dunkley. Draft tampering to which we acquiesced.

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        • Thunder Shaker
          Aut vincere aut mori
          • Apr 2004
          • 4201

          Originally posted by 707
          Contract, has a contract
          A good point regarding Naismith, he'll stay another year then. However, he will have to come under scrutiny at some point. 30 games in 8 seasons isn't going to be looked on favourably if list sizes come under pressure. Alex Johnson played 47 games in 8 seasons and he was delisted after another injury. Naismith may eventually go the same way.

          Here is a list of players with no contract beyond the end of this year:
          Joel Amartey
          James Bell
          Kaiden Brand
          Ryan Clarke
          Zac Foot
          Robbie Fox
          George Hewett
          Josh Kennedy
          Michael Knoll
          Matthew Ling
          Jack Maibaum
          Hayden McLean
          Lewis Melican
          Barry O'Connor
          Ben Ronke
          Brady Rowles
          Ryley Stoddart
          Jackson Thurlow
          Sam Wicks

          That is 19 players. Obviously, not all of them would be candidates for delisting (Hewett, Kennedy), but any delistings would mostly come from this group (Elijah Taylor being a likely exception).

          North Melbourne had 24 players out of contract and delisted 11 of them. I doubt we would be that extreme, but I won't be surprised if we delist about five. Sometimes a delisting give the players an opportunity to go elsewhere and they end up getting redrafted. We have done this before.
          "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            Originally posted by rb4x
            Not quite the same but the one that really rankles with me is Josh Dunkley. Draft tampering to which we acquiesced.
            He would have come to us if we picked him.

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            • Thunder Shaker
              Aut vincere aut mori
              • Apr 2004
              • 4201

              Originally posted by rb4x
              Not quite the same but the one that really rankles with me is Josh Dunkley. Draft tampering to which we acquiesced.
              Another one that I find really annoying is being excluded from trading in players despite breaking no rules.

              If the same standards were applied to other clubs, several Melbourne-based clubs would also have been excluded from trading for players (Hawthorn, Geelong, St Kilda, etc).
              "Unbelievable!" -- Nick Davis leaves his mark on the 2005 semi final

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              • MattW
                Veterans List
                • May 2011
                • 4218

                Originally posted by Thunder Shaker
                A good point regarding Naismith, he'll stay another year then. However, he will have to come under scrutiny at some point. 30 games in 8 seasons isn't going to be looked on favourably if list sizes come under pressure. Alex Johnson played 47 games in 8 seasons and he was delisted after another injury. Naismith may eventually go the same way.

                Here is a list of players with no contract beyond the end of this year:
                Joel Amartey
                James Bell
                Kaiden Brand
                Ryan Clarke
                Zac Foot
                Robbie Fox
                George Hewett
                Josh Kennedy
                Michael Knoll
                Matthew Ling
                Jack Maibaum
                Hayden McLean
                Lewis Melican
                Barry O'Connor
                Ben Ronke
                Brady Rowles
                Ryley Stoddart
                Jackson Thurlow
                Sam Wicks

                That is 19 players. Obviously, not all of them would be candidates for delisting (Hewett, Kennedy), but any delistings would mostly come from this group (Elijah Taylor being a likely exception).

                North Melbourne had 24 players out of contract and delisted 11 of them. I doubt we would be that extreme, but I won't be surprised if we delist about five. Sometimes a delisting give the players an opportunity to go elsewhere and they end up getting redrafted. We have done this before.
                I'd classify them as follows: first group definite delist, and then drop below each line depending on how desperate the list size situation is.

                Foot
                Knoll
                Maibaum
                Ronke
                Rowles
                -----------?-----
                Amartey
                O'Connor
                ----?------------
                Brand
                Bell
                Stoddart

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                • Aprilbr
                  Senior Player
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 1803

                  Originally posted by MattW
                  I'd classify them as follows: first group definite delist, and then drop below each line depending on how desperate the list size situation is.

                  Foot
                  Knoll
                  Maibaum
                  Ronke
                  Rowles
                  -----------?-----
                  Amartey
                  O'Connor
                  ----?------------
                  Brand
                  Bell
                  Stoddart
                  Looking at your list, which seems a good estimate of the situation to me, I think that all of those players will go apart from Bell and maybe O'Connor (depending on how he has progressed this year). I would add in Ling to the likely delist group.

                  Teams that finish bottom 4 generally cut hard. We have not heard much about Hewitt. Will he stay or go elsewhere? Time will tell.

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                  • Nico
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11339

                    Originally posted by MattW
                    I'd classify them as follows: first group definite delist, and then drop below each line depending on how desperate the list size situation is.

                    Foot
                    Knoll
                    Maibaum
                    Ronke
                    Rowles
                    -----------?-----
                    Amartey
                    O'Connor
                    ----?------------
                    Brand
                    Bell
                    Stoddart
                    I wonder how much the Laurie Nash will be a factor. Not that there is a lot in that bunch.
                    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                    • 707
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 6204

                      O'Connor impressed in some early scratchies before Covid took hold. Must be more advanced than when we signed him, looks a good size, this has been a crap year for an Irish player in his first year so definitely be re-signed.

                      You would think all those that have been regulars late in the season will continue, Kennedy, Melican, Fox, Thurlow, Wicks plus Hewett.

                      Amartey was strongly talked up by Longmire before his debut, Brand looked solid before injury, Clarke who knows?

                      Reynolds got a contract?

                      We'll find out next week I assume a long with a number of other clubs.

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                      • MattW
                        Veterans List
                        • May 2011
                        • 4218

                        Originally posted by 707
                        O'Connor impressed in some early scratchies before Covid took hold. Must be more advanced than when we signed him, looks a good size, this has been a crap year for an Irish player in his first year so definitely be re-signed.

                        You would think all those that have been regulars late in the season will continue, Kennedy, Melican, Fox, Thurlow, Wicks plus Hewett.

                        Amartey was strongly talked up by Longmire before his debut, Brand looked solid before injury, Clarke who knows?

                        Reynolds got a contract?

                        We'll find out next week I assume a long with a number of other clubs.
                        Reynolds done this year.

                        "Young trio extend" https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/...ng-trio-extend

                        Add him to the top bracket.

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                        • barracuda
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 551

                          Originally posted by MattW
                          Reynolds done this year.

                          "Young trio extend" https://www.sydneyswans.com.au/news/...ng-trio-extend

                          Add him to the top bracket.
                          And take Barry Connor And bell off as they have two year deals despite the published lists.

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                          • waswan
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2015
                            • 2047

                            Why we waste time on Cat B rookies etc is beyond me.
                            Tadg and Stynes in 30yrs yet we have spots available on an AFL list for these guys

                            There should just be a squad of xx players and they are all available, if a player gets 2x 1yr deals, yr 3 he is a free agent.

                            On list management in general
                            KB and co need to sharpen up, 2x Top 10 Picks for Danniher last year and 6 yrs 600k at Langdon, who is probably going to retire due to his knee, the year before

                            Lucky to dodge those bullets

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                            • barracuda
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Jun 2016
                              • 551

                              Originally posted by waswan
                              Why we waste time on Cat B rookies etc is beyond me.
                              Tadg and Stynes in 30yrs yet we have spots available on an AFL list for these guys

                              There should just be a squad of xx players and they are all available, if a player gets 2x 1yr deals, yr 3 he is a free agent.

                              On list management in general
                              KB and co need to sharpen up, 2x Top 10 Picks for Danniher last year and 6 yrs 600k at Langdon, who is probably going to retire due to his knee, the year before

                              Lucky to dodge those bullets
                              Cat b is outside the main list, and the salary is not included in the cap. Accordingly it is a valuable rookie for a good player. Bell and wicks were both cat b rookies via academy and paid outside the cap.

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                              • waswan
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2015
                                • 2047

                                Just put all the money in the Cap and 1 list.... its a complication for the sake of it

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