2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Rod_]

Agree Don Pyke should add some experience with Blakey Snr return to North. Well done Swans!

As for Paddy Mc - Big yes if he has recovered with a Medical green light. The up is excellent and worth a risk. Playing with his brother would be a good driver.

Hogan would be handy, given that Buddy, Reid have only played a handful of games in the last couple of years. if we get better than 50% games out of all of them could nurture next generation. However a B+ ruck would be my reference over Hogan. That way Sinclair can go forward as needed.

My recruiting plan would be

1. Best for #3 Midfielder. We need to keep improving the drive from the middle and without a tier one Ruck need best mids! (Should be ready to go and play 10+ games in 2021)
2. Then Campbell (Reported as best local talent, no homesickness issues)
3. Then Gulden. (Even if we go into arrears with points for 2021. And I don't want to see him in any other team!)
last Best project Ruckman to develop. Big body and can go forward pinch forward. (and because every team is going super tall in the forwards, defence will follow and we need to have a few tall options forward

Out

Elijah Taylor (perhaps Rookie to allow him to pay his dues, learn and Grow)
Jack Maibaum (not because he did anything wrong, just slipped in priority while injured)
Sam Gray (didn't show or being enough)
Lewis Taylor (50-50 due to injury or Ben Ronke traded to other for a Ruck second stringer. (has trade value however will not fit full time in the best 22)

Then depends on list numbers to be reduced when the AFL announce $ cuts and list numbers expected to be reduced..

Rod_

[Markwebbos]

Have heard that Fremantle may be open to trade Jesse Hogan; and that Swans are very interested. I would prefer Hogan over P Mcartin.

I am hoping we’ll make a play for him, on the understanding we’ve done our due diligence. Lest we forget even Buddy took time away from the game for mental health reasons.

Hogan has the potential to be as good as Daniher and is younger.

His lawyer in court this week over the Covid breach / booty call asked the judge to consider that Hogan could be playing in a Rugby League state in 2021

[bloodspirit]

Trade him for Elijah Taylor...........

Great suggestion! Maybe we'd need to tip in a bit more? ET has talent but has been both more trouble and has less proven ability at AFL level. We'd also need to have some confidence that Hogan can put his off-field issues behind him. He's had to leave two clubs partly on that account now.

[TheBloods]

Great suggestion! Maybe we'd need to tip in a bit more? ET has talent but has been both more trouble and has less proven ability at AFL level. We'd also need to have some confidence that Hogan can put his off-field issues behind him. He's had to leave two clubs partly on that account now.

I am starting to get a little concerned that ET will remain a Swan in 2021. I understand we haven't announced delistings yet, and fair enough before the B&F. But how difficult would it be for the club to announce a player charged with abuse has been axed ? Hasn't happened. I trust the club to do the right thing, but they would want to announce it shortly and make a strong statement on the matter.

[Ludwig]

If you take mental health as seriously as physical health, he (Hogan) is as likely to play as many games as J Daniher.

However, Hogan is a gun, and maybe the anonymity of Sydney may help.

Didn't you once guarantee that Daniher was coming to the Swans and any talk to the contrary was insane? Do you still hold that opinion?

I'm sure Hogan will remain anonymous in Sydney, since he'll never get to play a game.

[mattybloods]

Hogan to GWS would make sense if Cameron leaves. Would we recruit both Hogan and McCartin? Could free up Heeney to become a full time mid

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[bloodspirit]

I am starting to get a little concerned that ET will remain a Swan in 2021. I understand we haven't announced delistings yet, and fair enough before the B&F. But how difficult would it be for the club to announce a player charged with abuse has been axed ? Hasn't happened. I trust the club to do the right thing, but they would want to announce it shortly and make a strong statement on the matter.

I'm actually personally less decided than I was that ET should be delisted. Definitely the club needs to denounce what he has done and let it have some (significant consequences). They have made a good start in this regard and will need to do more than just allow him to resume training and playing at the beginning of next season. However, I think the decision to delist is a massive one, especially for him. For me the decision on whether to delist depends on his attitude. If he shows real remorse and demonstrates a commitment to reforming and taking the help that is offered to him, then I am open to keeping him on our list and helping to rehabilitate him.

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Welcome Don Pyke. I think he's a great addition. After the departure of Blakey we needed a senior and experienced replacement. As a former senior AFL coach who had success I think he offers that. I'm not too troubled by him presiding over the infamous camp. Who knows how much it was his call and, anyway, he will have learnt from that whole experience. Plus, he was available and willing to come to Sydney. Of former head coaches going around, I'm really glad we didn't go for someone like Brad Scott or Scott Watters.

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Two out, one in, with a reduction in soft cap might work out ok. Then again we also lost Tadhg, but perhaps we can bring him back?

I didn't realise when I posted that the chat about this was on the soft cap thread. But that's where to look to see more.

[Aprilbr]

I would think that ET has played his last game for our Club. Freo would not be willing to trade Hogan for him. ET has little or no trade currency at present given the pending court case etc. and his general behaviour problems. I have mixed feelings on whether Hogan is worth going after given the high price tag and perhaps trade expectations.

[Aprilbr]

Agree Don Pyke should add some experience with Blakey Snr return to North. Well done Swans!

As for Paddy Mc - Big yes if he has recovered with a Medical green light. The up is excellent and worth a risk. Playing with his brother would be a good driver.

Hogan would be handy, given that Buddy, Reid have only played a handful of games in the last couple of years. if we get better than 50% games out of all of them could nurture next generation. However a B+ ruck would be my reference over Hogan. That way Sinclair can go forward as needed.

My recruiting plan would be

1. Best for #3 Midfielder. We need to keep improving the drive from the middle and without a tier one Ruck need best mids! (Should be ready to go and play 10+ games in 2021)
2. Then Campbell (Reported as best local talent, no homesickness issues)
3. Then Gulden. (Even if we go into arrears with points for 2021. And I don't want to see him in any other team!)
last Best project Ruckman to develop. Big body and can go forward pinch forward. (and because every team is going super tall in the forwards, defence will follow and we need to have a few tall options forward

Out

Elijah Taylor (perhaps Rookie to allow him to pay his dues, learn and Grow)
Jack Maibaum (not because he did anything wrong, just slipped in priority while injured)
Sam Gray (didn't show or being enough)
Lewis Taylor (50-50 due to injury or Ben Ronke traded to other for a Ruck second stringer. (has trade value however will not fit full time in the best 22)

Then depends on list numbers to be reduced when the AFL announce $ cuts and list numbers expected to be reduced..

Rod_

Some good suggestions there but Gray and Lewis Taylor are still under contract so they most likely will be staying. Both will be playing for their careers next season. Lets hope that Taylor returns from the off season super fit. He has the potential to be a good contributor if he can get into the best shape of his career. Gray is less likely to make it from my perspective.

[Blood Fever]

I would think that ET has played his last game for our Club. Freo would not be willing to trade Hogan for him. ET has little or no trade currency at present given the pending court case etc. and his general behaviour problems. I have mixed feelings on whether Hogan is worth going after given the high price tag and perhaps trade expectations.

Hogan has ability but has proved he's too much trouble. Leave well alone.

[Markwebbos]

I would think that ET has played his last game for our Club. Freo would not be willing to trade Hogan for him. ET has little or no trade currency at present given the pending court case etc. and his general behaviour problems. I have mixed feelings on whether Hogan is worth going after given the high price tag and perhaps trade expectations.

Hogan would have to come on terms that we feel are favorable to us. I'm not sure whether that's the case or not:

The club paid a lot for him in picks. He's in the last year of his contract next year and on good money.

(1) He had been on the outer with Longmuir, even trying to convert himself to a defender, but then he played the last few games and kicked 4 in one game, so showed his potential.
(2) Then he broken quarantine.

If the club doesn't think he's got a future then they would want to dump him and his salary and get whatever they can back, which might mean they'd even pay part of the first year of his new contract. However if they think he's worth persisting with, they might decide to see whether he can turn things around next year, and its going to cost us more as a trade and salary wise to get him.

My instinct is that he's shown enough, right at the death, for Freo to want to give him another make-or-break year, rather than give him away cheaply

[barry]

Didn't you once guarantee that Daniher was coming to the Swans and any talk to the contrary was insane? Do you still hold that opinion?

Maybe not coming, but a good fit for Sydney, and I think he still is. But Brisbane seem to have beat us to the line.

I'm sure Hogan will remain anonymous in Sydney, since he'll never get to play a game.

He's no plugger lockett, or Barry hall, or Buddy franklin who we knew would make an impact from day one.

I dont particularly like chasing these high risk candidates like Hogan and Paddy McCartin, who even if they play, may not be that good.
At least with Daniher, the reward was worth the risk.

I do realise I am a bit inconsistant in this thread

[Ralph Dawg]

With Daniher going to Lions, Big O would be likely to spend more time in the ruck. If Stef Martin plays on, that's going to really limit Archie Smith's opportunities. He goes ok, especially with the hit outs. Given the dearth of apparent options, he could be an option for us?

[Thunder Shaker]

He's no plugger lockett, or Barry hall, or Buddy franklin who we knew would make an impact from day one.

I dont particularly like chasing these high risk candidates like Hogan and Paddy McCartin, who even if they play, may not be that good.
At least with Daniher, the reward was worth the risk.

That depends on what we would give up for Hogan. If we can get him cheaply, it may be worth considering.

[lwjoyner]

no to hogan. too much of a risk