2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

Who do we need more, a ball-winning mid or a match-winning fwd? Both injury prone. Both RFA!

I’m stunned by the Crouch rumour if true.

Perhaps we could get BC as a RFA and give the Crows pick 2 as a result which they use to draft a tall forward.

[Bloody Hell]

It's going to be hard to make other trade and draft decisions before the Daniher outcome is decided.

If we get Daniher as a FA, I would definitely try to make a deal trading our pick 4,

My idea would be to trade both picks 4 and 23 for a player and a slew of later picks that will ensure we have enough points for both Campbell and Gulden, which I figure will be less than 2000 points even if Campbell goes as high as pick 7. Two possible trades could be:
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At the top end of the draft you are looking for the best talent. Pick 4 will be better than Campbell.

With Riccardi's late season form, Himmelberg may be getable.

[Ludwig]

I thought Crouch was nearly certain to go to Geelong, which would be a sensible move. I can't see why we would want another midfielder. He's a good player, no doubt, but I wouldn't get into a dog fight for him. He would be a sort of replacement for JPK, would argue the camp that wants him.

As for Daniher, it's always hard to make a call based on future injury projections. He's a risk for sure, but who can say how big a risk. What he has going for him is that we can certainly use a quality #1 forward who can also ruck. And he wouldn't come at the cost of a draft pick, so it's only money.

[Ludwig]

With Riccardi's late season form, Himmelberg may be getable.

I like Himmelberg, but would much prefer going after a forward who also puts some time in the ruck. Himmelberg is more of a 3rd forward. I think we have players who can do that role. He's had a mediocre year as well, but that may be partially due to GWS playing so poorly.

[Markwebbos]

The only way we would trade pick 3 is for an exceptional player. Otherwise take it to the draft.

[Markwebbos]

Although it will slide to pick 4 and ...

AFL Draft: Pick 4 - who has been the best and who will be selected this year? | Sporting News Australia

“Pick four has never been a favourite of the Sydney Swans, despite them using it more than any other club. The Swans have held the selection four times, but have only received 36 senior games in return. Their first shot was their best with Andrew McGovern (1991) playing 20 times. Ryan Fitzgerald played 10 games, Mark Kinnear (1996) just six, while Glenn Gorman (1993) never took the field for Sydney. It’s a pity they couldn’t get another 80 games out of McGovern so that his two sons, Jeremy and Mitch, could have qualified as father-son selections.“

[Aprilbr]

Like everyone else I'm surprised to hear that we are apparently in the mix for Crouch. Good player but big bucks$. Is it the right time for us to chase someone like that?

I just heard that Carlton are looking at paying Zac Williams $850k to 900k per year on a long-term deal. Seems huge$ for a half back flanker. Crazy money.

[MattW]

I'm surprised we're in for Crouch, but it makes sense if we don't think any of our current squad can evolve into a Parker/Kennedy contested ball/clearance beast over the next two years. He'd help bridge the development gap to the younger players.

Crouch averages 26 possessions, 5 tackles and 5 clearances over his career. He's a bit over a year younger than Parker and his stats are pretty similar:

"Brad Crouch and Luke Parker AFL Stats Comparison" https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...&fid2=C&type=A.

This report is a useful primer: "Buyer beware: What's Brad Crouch worth?" https://www.afl.com.au/news/477160/-...-crouch-worth-.

He's played 117 games fewer than Parker and this seems to be down to injury.

There's a suggestion in that report that he 'lost zip' after missing all of 2018 with a groin injury, but he did average 30 possessions a game in 2019 and won Adelaide's b&f. He also missed all of 2015 with a foot injury. Missed six games this year with a hamstring. Only played two full seasons and they were his best, stats-wise.

[troyjones2525]

Crouch is a good player and a year or 2 ago I would probably have welcomed the news that we may get him but with his age and injury history I'd prefer us to take a stab at a Charlie Constable instead who is a big bodied mid who hasn't had much of a go at the Cats for obvious reasons. He'd be only 20 or 21 years old and has shown an ability to get the ball when playing as well as the VFL last year.

I hope we are seriously looking at him!

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[Steve]

We need more midfield quality so I wouldn’t be shocked if we were looking at Crouch, but he’s turning 27 and injury prone, and just not worth the money he’d be seeking.

We could get a couple of decent 22-25 y/o mids looking for more opportunities for the same price (combined) and not have to trade much away for them. And that would be a much better fit for us to be a much better team across the next 10 years rather than just the next couple.

I think the PSD is a legitimate bargaining chip if Daniher still wants to come to Sydney. If we made a FA bid for him and Essendon matched only to try and force a trade, then if they ask for too much I think that’s reasonable grounds for Daniher to say to Essendon “I wanted you to get compensation but if you won’t accept the FA pick or the trade Sydney have offered, you give me no choice but to go into the PSD”, and he not feel guilty about doing so.

[bloodspirit]

Re Crouch

I don't watch enough non-Swans games to know much about him other than by reputation. However, I can understand we may want a player of his age/experience and quality. We don't need so many more young and promising players because we have a lot of them already. Also, if he's a free agent he won't cost draft picks.

Another factor that may be relevant is that apart from JPK and Parker aging (although Parker is over 4 years younger than JPK), possibly Hewett's injury is worse than we know and if he disappears that is one of our few 100 gamers (near enough) and plays a similar role. Or possibly Hewett wants to return to SA now that he's a dad. We just don't know what's going on.

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Otherwise, more generally, I think they must be doing exit interviews yesterday, today and tomorrow and very soon we'll know more about who is going to be delisted. Feels tougher than usual, especially with no retirements.

[Aprilbr]

Yes this is a tough time at all Clubs. Coaching staff advising players that their AFL dream is over. We have no retirements of any veterans this season which is unusual for us so it will be youngsters and "journey men" players that get the knife. Tough times. I still think we will move on up to 10 players.

[Ralph Dawg]

What do people think is the likelihood of Joey retiring and that's why we're interested in Brouch? He has a young family and with the potential for more Covid induced difficulties moving forward, could he call time? Might even be conditional on getting a suitable replacement as he has always been a team man of the highest order.

[waswan]

Top 5 pick in the draft
In my opinion, 75% cgance of success when choosing a Mid, 40% when choosing a Key Position.

We have to use that pick on a mid, Round 1 would be 15 possessions

[Markwebbos]

What do people think is the likelihood of Joey retiring and that's why we're interested in Brouch? He has a young family and with the potential for more Covid induced difficulties moving forward, could he call time? Might even be conditional on getting a suitable replacement as he has always been a team man of the highest order.

He’ll be 32 next year. Could retire or could be moved out of the engine room in a Burgoyne type role.

I’m not sure if Crouch is the answer but we’ve been getting killed in clearances for some time now.