2020 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[MattW]

Here is a bit on the Members Forum last night.

Most interesting, I think, for Kinnear's note that we picked McDonald over DGB given that was the area of greatest need in light of McCartin's development as a key defender last year.

Snapshot: Member's Forum

Great!

[Thunder Shaker]

Here is a bit on the Members Forum last night.

Most interesting, I think, for Kinnear's note that we picked McDonald over DGB given that was the area of greatest need in light of McCartin's development as a key defender last year.

Snapshot: Member's Forum

Great!

Thanks for posting that. It's quite interesting.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

It's also not just "talent". I think Auntie.Gerald is on the money with the impact of the whole-of-organisation comments.

I go back to Carlton who received 5 of the last 20 No 1 draft picks - and still managed sfa.

05 was Murphy; 06 Gibbs, and 07 Kreuzer.

Now, Weitering '15 and Walsh in 2018

If memory serves, they snaffled Murphy out of the Lions paws by basically paying super overs.
06 and 07 involved losses to ensure they finished last "The Kreuzer Cup" etc.

Neither strategy was ever going to support the development of a worthwhile team culture. May their demise continue say I.

[dejavoodoo44]

Here is a bit on the Members Forum last night.

Most interesting, I think, for Kinnear's note that we picked McDonald over DGB given that was the area of greatest need in light of McCartin's development as a key defender last year.

Snapshot: Member's Forum

Great!

Interesting that they say that Paddy McCartin is keen to play in our VFL side. If that pans out, it's probably the way to go. A bit less pressure on him, and less financial commitment for us. Although, since CTE can't really be diagnosed, I'd be curious to know what the basis of his clearance from two neurologists is? I guess that they're saying that as far as they can tell, his brain is functioning normally: so it's up to the other parties involved, to decide whether they risk exacerbating something that's likely to be there, but may not be?

[ernie koala]

Interesting that they say that Paddy McCartin is keen to play in our VFL side. If that pans out, it's probably the way to go. A bit less pressure on him, and less financial commitment for us. Although, since CTE can't really be diagnosed, I'd be curious to know what the basis of his clearance from two neurologists is? I guess that they're saying that as far as they can tell, his brain is functioning normally: so it's up to the other parties involved, to decide whether they risk exacerbating something that's likely to be there, but may not be?

All a bit of a grey area for sure (excuse the pun).

The medical information I read about concussions, is that it is compounding and with every new concussion more long term damage it done to the brain.

So how 2 neurosurgeons can give him clearance, to play a sport where him suffering new concussions is more probable than not, having already received at least 8 previous concussions...

It's perplexing at best.

Wish him all the best.

[barry]

All a bit of a grey area for sure (excuse the pun).

The medical information I read about concussions, is that it is compounding and with every new concussion more long term damage it done to the brain.

So how 2 neurosurgeons can give him clearance, to play a sport where him suffering new concussions is more probable than not, having already received at least 8 previous concussions...

It's perplexing at best.

Wish him all the best.

I agree. They were talking about the young cricketers and concussion on outsiders on the weekend, and they commented that the more concussions you have the less of an impact a subsequent concussion needs. Or it could just be that some people are more susceptible to concussions, and they get them more often.

Long story short, you cant get better.

While I sympathise with Paddy McCartin who has probably devoted all his life to being a footballer, its time to find another career.

[wolftone57]

Interesting that they say that Paddy McCartin is keen to play in our VFL side. If that pans out, it's probably the way to go. A bit less pressure on him, and less financial commitment for us. Although, since CTE can't really be diagnosed, I'd be curious to know what the basis of his clearance from two neurologists is? I guess that they're saying that as far as they can tell, his brain is functioning normally: so it's up to the other parties involved, to decide whether they risk exacerbating something that's likely to be there, but may not be?

Neurologists look at the brain chemistry, brain scans to detect damage, and EEG testing. They are looking for any abnormality that would indicate the brain may have been impacted. Things like scarring of the brain tissue that causes the problem in the first place. I was under a neurologist for a long time and if I was still in Aus I would probably still be seeing him twice a year. This was for decomposition of the C sector (neck) bones, disks and incapacitation of the nerve channels from the spine. One of the tests they do is a whole body scan which is something like a CT scan but different again. It shows up all the bones, nerves coming from the spine and their distribution, discs and any problems associated with them. It also has the brain of course as this is the epicentre of all body, thought and stimulation. If there is anything impacted they would know from these tests and the testing of brain chemistry.

certainly there is a small window of risk that something has gotten past the testing but it is small.

[cherub]

Neurologists look at the brain chemistry, brain scans to detect damage, and EEG testing. They are looking for any abnormality that would indicate the brain may have been impacted. Things like scarring of the brain tissue that causes the problem in the first place. I was under a neurologist for a long time and if I was still in Aus I would probably still be seeing him twice a year. This was for decomposition of the C sector (neck) bones, disks and incapacitation of the nerve channels from the spine. Some of the testing they so is a whole body scan which is something like a cT scan but different again. It shows up all the bones, nerves coming from the spine and their distribution, discs and any problems associated with them. It also has the brain of course as this is the epicentre of all body, thought and stimulation. If there is anything impacted they would know from these tests and the testing of brain chemistry.

certainly there is a small window of risk that something has gotten past the testing but it is small.

We are stuck with our current state of knowledge and investigation. Our current scans don't pick up the micro level of damage that concussions cause. Most diagnoses of CTE have been postmortem. I think we know enough from clinical data to know you can't definitely predict outcomes, but can estimate risk. Neurosurgeons are like Orthopods, great knowledge, and no doubt very sympathetic to the aspirations of a young man. But a neurologist is a more appropriate specialist, and likely to be more considered and careful. Also, sometimes you choose a specialist you think will see the "grey areas" of medicine a certain way.

[S.S. Bleeder]

If memory serves, they snaffled Murphy out of the Lions paws by basically paying super overs.
06 and 07 involved losses to ensure they finished last "The Kreuzer Cup" etc.

Neither strategy was ever going to support the development of a worthwhile team culture. May their demise continue say I.

+1. Couldn’t agree more. They’re a bunch of crooks as far as I’m concerned. Plus, most of their supporters are as well.

[S.S. Bleeder]

Logan is going to be a gun. These stats are extremely impressive, provided he can continue his improvement.

Why Logan McDonald is better than any key forward drafted these past 15 years. - YouTube

[sharp9]

Just a thought on Carton and their losing culture...they bought premierships in the 80s by importing SA stars...then they used paper bags of cash to steal the ‘95 flag. The punishment did not include losing that flag...they lost TWO draft picks...and then complained about it for at least ten years. Goddard and Wells were good players but hardly Dangerfield, Fyfe, Goodes, Dusty, Buddy, Ablett(s), Judd or Hird. It certainly didn’t cost them a premiership. The whole John Elliot ethos is that you don’t have to work hard or be the best to win...you just have to be CAAAARLTON...that is to say cheat like the top end of town.
Anyway - when they finally started to get into finals and were working their way up (and down) and up the ladder like a real team...they sacked the coach (Ratten) because they hadn’t actually won anything, and promptly went straight back to the bottom. Also for a long, long time players who leave Carlton are better at their new club (Laidler and Betts for example) and players who arrive never seem to improve (Liam Jones excluded perhaps). Judd, Daisy, Newman...can’t think of others off the top of my head. Sydney (until last year!!) Geelong, Eagles and others bring in “average” players who turn out to be fantastic or at least over achieve (Bolton, Mattner, Laidler, McGlynn, Ball, Williams, Davis, Morton, Kennedy to Sydney alone). So, yeah, Carlton losing culture...can’t see it turning just yet. I believe it was 2006 and the Blues won the pre season...every second call to SEN was “the Blues are coming!” My Grandad is quicker and he’s 87 ????

[707]

The two most laughable season slogans ever are

Carlton circa 2009 "They know we're coming" and they proceeded to go down the ladder

Essendon's 2012 "Whatever it Takes" as they launched into the drug injections :-)

Still gives me a chuckle

[dejavoodoo44]

The two most laughable season slogans ever are

Carlton circa 2009 "They know we're coming" and they proceeded to go down the ladder

Essendon's 2012 "Whatever it Takes" as they launched into the drug injections :-)

Still gives me a chuckle

Yes, and the obvious rejoinder to the Carlton fans, as they left early after another loss, was, 'we can see you going'.

[bloodspirit]

Carlton also had the pearler - 'Can you smell what we're cooking?' about 10 years ago. I think that may have been not long before they sacked Ratts and disappeared from finals.

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For that matter, Collingwood's 'Side by side' is looking pretty sickly these days.

[Thunder Shaker]

Logan is going to be a gun. These stats are extremely impressive, provided he can continue his improvement.

Why Logan McDonald is better than any key forward drafted these past 15 years. - YouTube

Yes, I am still very happy that we drafted him. I was preferring DGB on the assumption that North would draft LMcD. When they didn't and we got him instead I was quite happy with that. LMcD is going to learn a lot from Franklin, and having them both in the forward line is going to be quite a handful for the opposition.