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  • KSAS
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2018
    • 1793

    Jack Niall (Age) thinks it's a mistake we signed Longmire with 3 year contract extension. Reckons it should've been shorter:

    AFL: Sydney Swans' long-term deal for John Longmire questioned as club embarks on 'transition' period

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    • Ruck'n'Roll
      Ego alta, ergo ictus
      • Nov 2003
      • 3990

      Originally posted by KSAS
      Jack Niall (Age) thinks it's a mistake we signed Longmire with 3 year contract extension. Reckons it should've been shorter:

      AFL: Sydney Swans' long-term deal for John Longmire questioned as club embarks on 'transition' period
      Jake Niall also says that Mills underperformed, Heeney is our best player and the Swans got their moneys worth from Buddy

      All of which suggests he must have slept through last season, because I don't think any of them applied to season 2019.
      Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 1 March 2020, 01:14 PM.

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      • Blood Fever
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 4049

        Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
        Jake Niall also says that Mills underperformed, Heeney is our best player and the Swans got their moneys worth from Buddy

        All of which suggests he must have slept through last season, because I don't think any of them applied to season 2019.
        Another example of shallow knowledge of the Swans. He's right about Buddy but ignorant re Mills. Heeney has the potential to be our best but has been outplayed by Mills over both their careers in my opinion although it is a bit easier down back. Buddy still our best player.

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        • stevoswan
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2014
          • 8557

          Originally posted by KSAS
          Jack Niall (Age) thinks it's a mistake we signed Longmire with 3 year contract extension. Reckons it should've been shorter:

          AFL: Sydney Swans' long-term deal for John Longmire questioned as club embarks on 'transition' period
          I was about to say that that is one of Jake Niall's worst articles but then I noticed that it wasn't his article.....it just quotes him.

          It's still a crap article.....it never once explains 'why' Jake thinks Horse's three year deal was too long. Clickbait.....

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          • Melbourne_Blood
            Senior Player
            • May 2010
            • 3312

            Originally posted by stevoswan
            I was about to say that that is one of Jake Niall's worst articles but then I noticed that it wasn't his article.....it just quotes him.

            It's still a crap article.....it never once explains 'why' Jake thinks Horse's three year deal was too long. Clickbait.....
            Yeah I found that strange too , it was a 3 year extension and another club was chasing him presumably offering big money. So we are right to re-sign him, but what , where we supposed to offer him a one year extension ?

            Not the soundest of logic there .


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            • Ruck'n'Roll
              Ego alta, ergo ictus
              • Nov 2003
              • 3990

              Originally posted by Blood Fever
              Buddy still our best player.
              He may well be, but I don't think the Swans got there money's worth ($1.6m) out of Buddy in 2019, missed half the year and only added 7 points to our scoring when he did play.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                He may well be, but I don't think the Swans got there money's worth ($1.6m) out of Buddy in 2019, missed half the year and only added 7 points to our scoring when he did play.
                A 7 point difference per game for a single player is a pretty significant difference in my opinion. If you average his salary over it's term it probably comes to about 10% of the salary cap and a 7 point *difference* per game with him in the team is probably about a 10% difference on the field/addition to our score. Plus he offers a lot off the field, one suspects, in terms of membership, sponsors etc etc. I am entirely happy with the deal we gave Buddy and judge it a success. Of course, I'd be even happier if we'd won an extra premiership in 2016.
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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8557

                  Originally posted by bloodspirit
                  A 7 point difference per game for a single player is a pretty significant difference in my opinion. If you average his salary over it's term it probably comes to about 10% of the salary cap and a 7 point *difference* per game with him in the team is probably about a 10% difference on the field/addition to our score. Plus he offers a lot off the field, one suspects, in terms of membership, sponsors etc etc. I am entirely happy with the deal we gave Buddy and judge it a success. Of course, I'd be even happier if we'd won an extra premiership in 2016.
                  Ah yes, the AFL's payback for us audaciously recruiting the Bud.....the 2016 'Grand Larceny'.

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                  • Auntie.Gerald
                    Veterans List
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 6480

                    we won 8 games and came 15th on the ladder in 2019

                    We get back 4 guys from the game yest next week Kirky said........hmmmm can they bridge 15 goals or so ? bloody unlikely

                    I said that i was very concerned we didnt try and trade harder as I dont think we have the talent that gives us the greatest probability of getting back in the top 8 in 2020 nor 2021

                    That will be 3 seasons outside the top 8 most likely........ and Buddy, Kennedy and Rampe on the way out 2yrs from now and a ruck and a midfield just not good enough IMO

                    Someone made a fair point that GWS didnt have Taranto for the whole game and no Coniglio, and no Josh Kelly, no Greene rolling thru the midfield and no Whitfield and their Captain missing also from the midfield.........6 players missing from their starting midfield rotation !!!!!!

                    Holy @@@@

                    I like our guys
                    great guys
                    but they are not up to the top6 top8 teams and that is the blend we have gone for which is wrong in my opinion vs other clubs who have rebuilt on the run

                    We should have and should do make an offer for player like Jye Caldwell as i mentioned last year that GWS cant match and or others like him that can go on and be real 10yr top8 team midfielders

                    GWS can not with all of their midfield match serious offers for an out of contract Caldwell etc

                    Players move clubs and we should have and should be doing everything we can to bring in quality and or emerging quality so 2021 we are a serious top4 threat

                    our current recruitment strategy is not in alignment with a top 4 team come 2021
                    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                    • chuckie
                      Warming the Bench
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 301

                      I might be glass half empty but I think we over rate our list.
                      I wonder how many of our players would get games with the top sides.
                      Will our younger players want to stay around if we are not successful?

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                      • barry
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 8499

                        Originally posted by chuckie
                        I might be glass half empty but I think we over rate our list.
                        I wonder how many of our players would get games with the top sides.
                        Will our younger players want to stay around if we are not successful?
                        There is no reason, on paper, why we can climb up the ladder to be vying for a spot in the bottom of the 8.

                        What is concerning from last year and this year is the absolute dogged determination to always be in the game seems to have gone.

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                        • Nico
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 11339

                          Originally posted by barry
                          There is no reason, on paper, why we can climb up the ladder to be vying for a spot in the bottom of the 8.

                          What is concerning from last year and this year is the absolute dogged determination to always be in the game seems to have gone.
                          Barry, our % was 97 last year with an average losing margin of 22 points. We were in the game in our losing games up to 3 quarter time on most occasions. Natural improvement on that must take us up the ladder. And the 4 who retired had very few games for the season.
                          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                          • stevoswan
                            Veterans List
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 8557

                            Originally posted by Nico
                            Barry, our % was 97 last year with an average losing margin of 22 points. We were in the game in our losing games up to 3 quarter time on most occasions. Natural improvement on that must take us up the ladder. And the 4 who retired had very few games for the season.
                            Sound reasoning but I'd like to see some gelling and some system along with some improved skills and grit on display in Tassie this weekend to be confident of a rise up the ladder.

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                            • KSAS
                              Senior Player
                              • Mar 2018
                              • 1793

                              I'm confident Ollie Florent will have a breakout year and give our midfield that missing spark.

                              Nic Blakey to play more explosive footy and have more impact.

                              Jordan Dawson to continue his rise in becoming an elite rebounding defender.

                              It's these 3 players who i see will be pivotal to our climb up this year, alongside Heeney, Mills, Papely plus an injury free Buddy and Naismith.

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                              • Boddo
                                Senior Player
                                • Mar 2017
                                • 1049

                                For this year I’d agree with Harley. Aim finals and see what happens.

                                IMO this is what most clubs would aim for in Sydney’s situation. May not happen but you’d be derelict Not to look for that outcome.

                                A year into Stephens, Gould & Warner with a first round pick plus Campbell & Gulden plus the possibility of fit Daniher for free added to what Sydney already have n your almost there ready for a massive climb up to the top.

                                The future is bright.

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