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  • snajik
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2003
    • 1115

    #31
    Originally posted by dejavoodoo44
    Err, at the risk of sounding pedantic, you're mixing up Tony Wilson and Tony Martin. But hey, I saw a few cheap copies of The Deadly Kerfuffle, the other day. Since you're recommending it, I might grab a copy.
    Ha! Yes I am. Apologies. And not to be confused with the Factory Records Tony Wilson.
    It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
    The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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    • snajik
      Senior Player
      • Jan 2003
      • 1115

      #32
      Originally posted by Captain
      Yes I do.

      Goodes was definitely bullied. It was unacceptable and a big shame. I don’t believe it was racist. Not interested in opening that debate again though.

      Blackface unacceptable as we all agree.

      Nothing wrong with calling out racism but it has become political. People with agendas have hijacked this. As they have done in the States with BLM.

      Bega cheese, Captain Cook, Ben Boyd Road, Redskins, Chicos, heck even the game of chess have all recently been declared ‘racist’.
      Do you mean racist, or racially insensitive? It might be political to some, but certainly not all. Surely most of us can determine when someone is acting respectfully, or acting like an arsehole. This is not notion that requires political allegiance.

      No offence, but I really can't see where being sympathetic to Sam Newman fits within this forum. His treatment of Adam Goodes was deplorable, and it shouldn't come as a surprise that Adam Goodes is held in the highest regard on this site. Newman contributed to Goodes leaving the game before his time.
      It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
      The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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      • Blood Fever
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 4063

        #33
        Originally posted by Captain
        Yes I do.

        Goodes was definitely bullied. It was unacceptable and a big shame. I don’t believe it was racist. Not interested in opening that debate again though.

        Blackface unacceptable as we all agree.

        Nothing wrong with calling out racism but it has become political. People with agendas have hijacked this. As they have done in the States with BLM.

        Bega cheese, Captain Cook, Ben Boyd Road, Redskins, Chicos, heck even the game of chess have all recently been declared ‘racist’.
        There will always be people who are over the top with political correctness. In this case, Newman and the others are clearly in the wrong on racial grounds and the apology spells this out clearly. By the way, Redskins and Chicos will soon be rightly gone. Disparaging names. And 98% of BLM supporters are non violent. Principles are what count.

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        • Ludwig
          Veterans List
          • Apr 2007
          • 9359

          #34
          Originally posted by Captain
          Bega cheese, Captain Cook, Ben Boyd Road, Redskins, Chicos, heck even the game of chess have all recently been declared ‘racist’.
          I used to be an avid chess player and still follow the top level games on Youtube. When I found out that some chess videos had been pulled by Youtube for racist language, it raised another troubling issue, which is how algorithms are making low level human decisions, like labeling something 'racist' or deciding what constitutes hate speech. The specific problem with chess is that the game commentator may say something like: "After that blunder, Black is lost. White will always be better than Black now." YouTube's community standards algorithm doesn't understand that comment refers to chess pieces and not people. Apparently, it was difficult to get a human at Youtube to override the algorithm.

          We are well on our way to a dystopian world where algorithms run our lives and the Swans never make the finals.

          On the broader issue of re-evaluating historical racism in the current climate, I think it's important to set the record straight. Histories from every culture reflect the positions of those in charge at the time of writing. Alternative perspectives, such as Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States, tend not to be promoted by mainstream media.

          I heard a comment last week that if it were Japan that dropped atomic bombs on the United States, rather than the other way around, surely there would have been Japanese leaders tried for war crimes.

          It's good to see that these important issues are at least being discussed in public fora. It's hard to say whether it will produce something positive or a reactionary backlash, which is often what has happened in the past.

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          • Captain
            Captain of the Side
            • Feb 2004
            • 3602

            #35
            Originally posted by snajik
            No offence, but I really can't see where being sympathetic to Sam Newman fits within this forum.
            Right, so one cannot express their opinion on this forum now? We all have to be sheep?

            This takes the cake.

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            • Blood Fever
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 4063

              #36
              Originally posted by Captain
              Right, so one cannot express their opinion on this forum now? We all have to be sheep?

              This takes the cake.
              Snaijk expressed an opinion just like you have been doing. The only person who can stop you is yourself. It wasn't an order.

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              • Captain
                Captain of the Side
                • Feb 2004
                • 3602

                #37
                Originally posted by Blood Fever
                Snaijk expressed an opinion just like you have been doing. The only person who can stop you is yourself. It wasn't an order.
                Where did I express an opinion about what can be said on this forum?

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                • Blood Fever
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4063

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Captain
                  Where did I express an opinion about what can be said on this forum?
                  Why do you have to take any notice of what other people think should be on the forum? No one is stopping you, even if they disagree.

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                  • Sandridge
                    Outer wing, Lake Oval
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2105

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Captain
                    Yes I do.

                    Goodes was definitely bullied. It was unacceptable and a big shame. I don’t believe it was racist. Not interested in opening that debate again though.

                    Blackface unacceptable as we all agree.

                    Nothing wrong with calling out racism but it has become political. People with agendas have hijacked this. As they have done in the States with BLM.

                    Bega cheese, Captain Cook, Ben Boyd Road, Redskins, Chicos, heck even the game of chess have all recently been declared ‘racist’.
                    You're not interested in opening the Goodesy debate again? Are you bored with it? You think the problem no longer exists? You've moved on?

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                    • Captain
                      Captain of the Side
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3602

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sandridge
                      You're not interested in opening the Goodesy debate again? Are you bored with it? You think the problem no longer exists? You've moved on?
                      Not particularly. I never felt at the time it was racist and still don’t. My opinion was that it was bullying.

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                      • Blood Fever
                        Veterans List
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4063

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Captain
                        Not particularly. I never felt at the time it was racist and still don’t. My opinion was that it was bullying.
                        Nothing to do with his stance on race? Deluded.

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                        • Captain
                          Captain of the Side
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 3602

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Blood Fever
                          Nothing to do with his stance on race? Deluded.
                          Correct. I also think you are deluded.

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                          • Sandridge
                            Outer wing, Lake Oval
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 2105

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Captain
                            Not particularly. I never felt at the time it was racist and still don’t. My opinion was that it was bullying.
                            Why do you think he was being bullied?

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                            • Captain
                              Captain of the Side
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3602

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Sandridge
                              Why do you think he was being bullied?
                              Because he showed that the booing hurt him and he didn’t like it. Once football crowds, particularly moronic ones like Hawthorn and West Coast, sense blood, they keep going. It then became a free for all. People had no idea why they were booing, they just booed because it put him off.

                              As mentioned, am not keen to open this debate all over again and am engaging no more.

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                              • Sandridge
                                Outer wing, Lake Oval
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 2105

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Captain
                                Because he showed that the booing hurt him and he didn’t like it. Once football crowds, particularly moronic ones like Hawthorn and West Coast, sense blood, they keep going. It then became a free for all. People had no idea why they were booing, they just booed because it put him off.

                                As mentioned, am not keen to open this debate all over again and am engaging no more.
                                One more question if I may - why do you think the booing started in the first place?

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