Round 18: the other games. Get out your calculators.

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  • dejavoodoo44
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2015
    • 8626

    General footy chat Round 18: the other games. Get out your calculators.

    Probably the main interest for the round, is where we finish on the ladder, and consequently, which draft pick we get. We can end up with either pick 3, 4 or 5. Of those, pick 5 is the least likely, as it involves us having an upset win over the Cats and then leapfrogging over the Suns, if they’re beaten by the Hawks. Pick 3 becomes ours, if we suffer a predictable loss against the Cats, and the Hawks beat the Suns by enough to overcome the current percentage gap of roughly 3.2%: which requires a for and against swing of around 60 points. That is, our for and against is now -181, while for the Hawks, it is -241. So, if we lose by around 30 and they win by around 30, then pick 3 comes into play. However, for and against is only a rough guide. For instance, if we lose by a scoreline of 20 to 50, then our percentage drops to 80.06%, but if the score is, us 70 and Cats 100, then our percentage only drops to 80.10%. So, if things start to play out that way, the calculators might need to come out.

    Of course, there’s also the question of, what would you prefer: pick 3 or finishing above the mustard on turd? Personally, I’d be perfectly happy with pick 4. Without looking it up, I doubt if there’s been any real significant historical difference, between the careers of those taken at pick 3 and those taken at pick 4.

    The other area where calculators might be needed, is the battle for the last spots in the eight. The crucial games are; Saints v Giants, Bombers v Demons and Dockers v Bulldogs. Looking at the ladder, the Giants only have a very slim chance of making it. For instance, they need to beat the Saints by over 55 points, to get above them on percentage, and then either the Bulldogs or the Demons have to lose. A win by less than 55, means that both the other sides have to lose (or the Demons draw), (or the Demons only have a very narrow win). But anyway, it would be very surprising if the Giants made it. Premiership window almost closed? Quite possibly. The Demons need a bit of luck, but not as much as the Giants. They have a better percentage than the Bulldogs, so if they win and the Bulldogs lose, then they’re in.

    There can be a few changes in the eight. For instance, the Saints jumping above the Magpies, into sixth, but since the upshot might be playing a final at Metricon, instead of the Gabba, then that’s much of a muchness. And I suppose that it’s worth mentioning that we could knock the Cats out of the top four. Don’t really like our chances, but hey, stranger things have happened.
  • i'm-uninformed2
    Reefer Madness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4653

    #2
    Whatever pick we finish with I'm fine.

    I just want GWS and the Bulldogs to miss the finals by whatever means.
    'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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    • dejavoodoo44
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2015
      • 8626

      #3
      Originally posted by i'm-uninformed2
      Whatever pick we finish with I'm fine.

      I just want GWS and the Bulldogs to miss the finals by whatever means.
      I can live with that.

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      • Sandridge
        Outer wing, Lake Oval
        • Apr 2010
        • 2076

        #4
        Fingers crossed that the Dees beat Essendon and then Freo beat the Fairypuppies!

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        • Markwebbos
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2016
          • 7186

          #5
          Norf going OK against the Weagles

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          • sharp9
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2003
            • 2508

            #6
            I did the ladder predictor and it put us below Hawthorn with a 30 point loss and a 10 point win
            "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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            • mcs
              Travelling Swannie!!
              • Jul 2007
              • 8166

              #7
              I just hope the fairypuppies blow it and they don't make it. Will never forgive the larceny of 2016.
              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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              • 707
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2009
                • 6204

                #8
                Hawks won't win, they are tanking now.

                Pick 4 it will be, let's hope for no shenanigans with a very early bid on Campbell and that we get to use pick 4. It will of course be pick 5 after one of the clubs below us bids on JUH thereby wiping out the Dogs from the rest of the draft :-)

                Barracking strongly for Freo, I so hate the Dogs and that surly coach of there's who declared after last weeks win that "something special is building here" I immediately thought 2016

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                • lwjoyner
                  Regular in the Side
                  • Nov 2004
                  • 951

                  #9
                  dogs are going to need the umps and afl on their side as in 16

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                  • Sandridge
                    Outer wing, Lake Oval
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 2076

                    #10
                    Great to see the anti-Bulldogs sentiments expressed here. The 2016 Grand Final was disgraceful.

                    The Fairypuppies played 26 games in 2016. The lost the free kick count 4 times. They won the free kick count in all 4 finals they played, receiving a total of 79 free kicks while their finals opponents only received 48.

                    Maintain the rage! Go Freo on the weekend!!

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                    • Blood Fever
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 4048

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sandridge
                      Great to see the anti-Bulldogs sentiments expressed here. The 2016 Grand Final was disgraceful.

                      The Fairypuppies played 26 games in 2016. The lost the free kick count 4 times. They won the free kick count in all 4 finals they played, receiving a total of 79 free kicks while their finals opponents only received 48.

                      Maintain the rage! Go Freo on the weekend!!
                      Very dangerous game for the Bullies. An iffy free kick to the Dockers late to get them over the line would be sweet.

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        #12
                        Originally posted by 707
                        Hawks won't win, they are tanking now.

                        Pick 4 it will be, let's hope for no shenanigans with a very early bid on Campbell and that we get to use pick 4. It will of course be pick 5 after one of the clubs below us bids on JUH thereby wiping out the Dogs from the rest of the draft :-)
                        Exactly right.
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                        • Markwebbos
                          Veterans List
                          • Jul 2016
                          • 7186

                          #13
                          Hanners playing tonight off a limited preparation. What’s the chances he makes it thru unscathed? About 50:50 is my guess.

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                          • rb4x
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Dec 2007
                            • 968

                            #14
                            Frees 10 - 1 in favour of Saints at the moment

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                            • Sandridge
                              Outer wing, Lake Oval
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 2076

                              #15
                              Originally posted by rb4x
                              Frees 10 - 1 in favour of Saints at the moment
                              11 - 4 at half time. Are the Saints this year's Fairypuppies?

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