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  • Ruck'n'Roll
    Ego alta, ergo ictus
    • Nov 2003
    • 3990

    Originally posted by Captain
    Fantastic news about Mills playing midfield.
    I wonder who'll be playing the quarterback / intercept marking role? Super Dane could, but he might still be needed for a more defensive role, so too might McCartin. AA's gone, Gould's untried, I'm still hoping Hayward with thrive up forward. I'd like to see Dawson getting 20 possessions a game off half back.

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    • HeeneyIsAGun
      On the Rookie List
      • Jul 2016
      • 47

      So not saying this will be our round 1 team, but it's where I see this team at some point in 2021, and what I would consider our best on paper (assuming no injuries of course):

      B Fox McCartin Rampe
      HB Lloyd Reid Mills
      C Florent Rowbottom Blakey
      HF Heeney Franklin Hayward
      F Papley McDonald Campbell
      Foll Hickey Parker Kennedy
      Interchange McInerney, Cunningham, Dawson, Sinclair

      I am not yet sold on Stephens. He is very good, but still behind Florent and Blakey as a winger, and nowhere near strong enough yet to challenge Rowie or Parker/Kennedy in the centre. I have him as injury insurance for any of those, and he may have to wait till a retirement or two to cement his sport. McInerney has more upside with speed and marking in my mind at the moment.

      I'd like to see McCartin be developed as the FB. Melican is a decent injury back up, but I want Rampe freed cup from playing on the opposition "gorilla". It means he can marshal the defence, zone back as 'keeper and still use his run off the flanks.

      We really need to settle on Reid's role too. He can be a great swing man if plans go awry, but otherwise I think he is best at CHB with his marking, and can still fall back to FB if the matchups aren't working. Also Reid can take McDonald's role if he isn't ready this year, although we need to get Logan in as FF as soon as we can to develop him. And Reid is still good enough to replace Buddy at CHF if needed.

      Lastly, I think Campbell would be the perfect opposite foil for Papley. Quick, and a great left foot, I think he will play almost every game. He can rotate through the midfield as Papley does, for some extra pace and penetration, and naturally its where he will probably end up eventually.

      The good thing is there are lots of backups now that are being squeezed out despite being talented enough to play: Hewitt, Stephens, Gulden, Wicks, Bell, Melican, Taylor, Gray. We finally have a backup for pretty much every spot in the side, and the new VFL comp should keep them more ready to step up if needed. Its a much better place than a few years ago, where half the players were being used out of position and another bunch who weren't up to AFL standard anyway.

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      • barracuda
        Regular in the Side
        • Jun 2016
        • 551

        Originally posted by Captain
        Fantastic news about Mills playing midfield.

        With the draft and trades done, my revised best 22 looks like:

        Cunningham Rampe Melican
        Lloyd McCartin Stephens
        Dawson Kennedy Blakey
        Papley Reid Heeney
        Hayward Franklin McDonald
        Sinclair Parker Mills
        Rowbottom McInerney Florent Hewett/Campbell

        Wicks and Gulden will be putting pressure on Hayward +Gould and Fox will be right there to replace Melican. I still have Sinclair ahead of Hickey.

        Hewett is in front of Campbell but will need to play very well to keep him out of the side. Both will probably play round 1 if Buddy is injured.

        Overall, reckon we have a decent side and pending injuries might give finals a nudge.
        Watching the internal trial yesterday McDonald and Campbell are not ready

        - - - Updated - - -

        Originally posted by HeeneyIsAGun
        So not saying this will be our round 1 team, but it's where I see this team at some point in 2021, and what I would consider our best on paper (assuming no injuries of course):

        B Fox McCartin Rampe
        HB Lloyd Reid Mills
        C Florent Rowbottom Blakey
        HF Heeney Franklin Hayward
        F Papley McDonald Campbell
        Foll Hickey Parker Kennedy
        Interchange McInerney, Cunningham, Dawson, Sinclair

        I am not yet sold on Stephens. He is very good, but still behind Florent and Blakey as a winger, and nowhere near strong enough yet to challenge Rowie or Parker/Kennedy in the centre. I have him as injury insurance for any of those, and he may have to wait till a retirement or two to cement his sport. McInerney has more upside with speed and marking in my mind at the moment.

        I'd like to see McCartin be developed as the FB. Melican is a decent injury back up, but I want Rampe freed cup from playing on the opposition "gorilla". It means he can marshal the defence, zone back as 'keeper and still use his run off the flanks.

        We really need to settle on Reid's role too. He can be a great swing man if plans go awry, but otherwise I think he is best at CHB with his marking, and can still fall back to FB if the matchups aren't working. Also Reid can take McDonald's role if he isn't ready this year, although we need to get Logan in as FF as soon as we can to develop him. And Reid is still good enough to replace Buddy at CHF if needed.

        Lastly, I think Campbell would be the perfect opposite foil for Papley. Quick, and a great left foot, I think he will play almost every game. He can rotate through the midfield as Papley does, for some extra pace and penetration, and naturally its where he will probably end up eventually.

        The good thing is there are lots of backups now that are being squeezed out despite being talented enough to play: Hewitt, Stephens, Gulden, Wicks, Bell, Melican, Taylor, Gray. We finally have a backup for pretty much every spot in the side, and the new VFL comp should keep them more ready to step up if needed. Its a much better place than a few years ago, where half the players were being used out of position and another bunch who weren't up to AFL standard anyway.
        Campbell will be used across halfback. He played that yesterday.

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        • Captain
          Captain of the Side
          • Feb 2004
          • 3602

          Originally posted by barracuda
          Watching the internal trial yesterday McDonald and Campbell are not ready
          - - - Updated - - -
          McDonald I somewhat understand, especially as a key forward, though will be interesting to see if he plays whilst Buddy is out.

          Am surprised on Campbell. Have watched him a lot and he seems ready to me.

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          • Markwebbos
            Veterans List
            • Jul 2016
            • 7186

            Are those only your thoughts Barra, or shared by the club?

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            • HeeneyIsAGun
              On the Rookie List
              • Jul 2016
              • 47

              Originally posted by barracuda
              Watching the internal trial yesterday McDonald and Campbell are not ready
              I am not surprised for round 1, but I do think Longmire will push to include them ASAP regardless. If nothing else, the marketability of having your two highest draft picks in almost two decades playing at the same time is pretty important too.

              Originally posted by barracuda
              Campbell will be used across halfback. He played that yesterday.
              Logical to ease him in there, like with Mills. But you would think he would be better than Taylor or Gray in the forward flanks after a few games under his belt. And I guess that only leaves Wicks, although it will be interesting to see how he develops this year.

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              • barracuda
                Regular in the Side
                • Jun 2016
                • 551

                Originally posted by Markwebbos
                Are those only your thoughts Barra, or shared by the club?
                My thoughts, and I’ve been wrong plenty of times

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                • stevoswan
                  Veterans List
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8573

                  Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
                  I wonder who'll be playing the quarterback / intercept marking role? Super Dane could, but he might still be needed for a more defensive role, so too might McCartin. AA's gone, Gould's untried, I'm still hoping Hayward with thrive up forward. I'd like to see Dawson getting 20 possessions a game off half back.
                  Please do not use this term in our game.....

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                  • Nico
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 11346

                    Originally posted by stevoswan
                    Please do not use this term in our game.....
                    Agree. Fullback or CHB are the positions in our game.
                    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6483

                      Campbell learning defence will no doubt be a big step up first season
                      Campbell as a pressure forward might be interesting for parts of 2021
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • Ralph Dawg
                        Senior Player
                        • Apr 2018
                        • 1729

                        Not much has been said about Logan or B.C. this preseason. I'd say this is deliberate to not raise expectations and put too much pressure on them to be our saviours.

                        For Erroll to have got the odd plug suggests he is coming along well. He is a true competitor and someone who will thrive in the AFL environment. Wouldn't be surprised if he is the first to debut out of the 3. Suspect he is in a contest with Wicks and Ronke for a small forward spot.

                        Speaking of Wicks, he is looking in excellent shape and looks to have bulked up in the off season. Could be a big contributer for us this year.

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                        • Mountain Man
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 910

                          I am still contemplating my Best 22 and hope the season is not the Covid 19 disruption of last year. But there are confirmed changes for 2021 which, IMHO have major impacts on the selections.

                          1. The rotations have reduced to 75. This means that the selected players will have to be prepared to perform at a high level for longer (hopefully the end of a pet hate of a goal scorer immediately leaving the field). Say the plan per quarter is 15,20, 20, 25, and this could reduce further in case of a injury.

                          I think the rotation reduction will be significant. It will make it much harder to introduce young players for reduced game time, and to ease injured players back to fitness. On the positive, "runners" like Stephens and Fox may prove more valuable; as will Longmire's "flexibility" mantra for development of players such as Haywood down back, Reid and McCartin at either end, and, players such as Dawson.

                          2. The East Coast competition is planned as 22 games of much higher standard. The Swans will have a squad comprising non-selected-22, and a range of further senior bodies. it will reduced opportunities for Academy members. But, it should enable the coaches to work towards a Swans style game plan, with say a standard Ruck set up and play more people in their development roles.

                          Again, I think this will have an impact. The younger players will have a step up, and a better sense of what the game plan is prior to their promotion. It might mean we see Franklin work back to fitness.

                          So, in my Best 22 I am discounting Naismith and Franklin for the early rounds; likely having only 1 new arrival; attracted to the best fitness players, and to those with maximum flexibility. Still hard to chose the team, but hope this helps me select against these criteria.

                          Thoughts?

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                          • Ruck'n'Roll
                            Ego alta, ergo ictus
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 3990

                            Originally posted by stevoswan
                            Please do not use this term in our game.....
                            Originally posted by Nico
                            Agree. Fullback or CHB are the positions in our game.
                            I shall give it some thought - will this crusade include all foreign/extraneous accretions in RWO football discourse, or just "Quarterback" ?
                            Last edited by Ruck'n'Roll; 7 February 2021, 10:04 AM.

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                            • TheBloods
                              Suspended by the MRP
                              • Feb 2020
                              • 2047

                              Relieved to hear Mills has been training with the mids. Kennedy and Parker desperately need help and if we think mids like RB and Blakey will provide that help then we're kidding ourselves. Mills is that strong physical presence we're lacking. Cannot wait to see how he goes.

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                              • Melbourne_Blood
                                Senior Player
                                • May 2010
                                • 3312

                                Originally posted by TheBloods
                                Relieved to hear Mills has been training with the mids. Kennedy and Parker desperately need help and if we think mids like RB and Blakey will provide that help then we're kidding ourselves. Mills is that strong physical presence we're lacking. Cannot wait to see how he goes.
                                Yeah I just read that article on the swans website. Definitely looks set for a permanent switch to the midfield this year which is exciting. Hopefully that means Gould is looking good for a spot in defence.


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