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  • Captain
    Captain of the Side
    • Feb 2004
    • 3602

    Originally posted by Ludwig
    I think you quoted the wrong person. I said pretty much the same thing you have.
    Apologies Ludwig, didn’t mean to quote you!!

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    • Ludwig
      Veterans List
      • Apr 2007
      • 9359

      Originally posted by The Runner
      You're kind of making my point. Lloyd isn't a defender by nature, more of a winger. And he's not damaging with his disposals - why do you think he doesn't get tagged often?
      Campbell will hurt an opposition with his speed and elite kicking. I'm not sure he and Lloyd can be in the same team with also Cunningham and Ling. It's probably 2/3 of them at a stretch.

      I'd also assume Fox is now at the bank end of the queue, given the club let him go in the off season.
      If you recall, Lloyd took over the Lewis Jetta role in 2016 as the player primarily responsible for taking the ball out of the defensive zone and start a counterattack. As with Jetta, Lloyd was not a great defender, although he's very much improved to the point of being more than competent. Lloyd has become one of the league's best in this role. Rory Laird is the other good one and I think he's slated for the Adelaide midfield this year.

      Lloyd is a very reliable kick, evidenced by being given the responsibility for taking the kick-ins. He doesn't have a long penetrating kick, nor is he super quick, but he's very effective at both nonetheless.

      As foreshadowed last year, the Swans have so much midfield depth that many drafted midfielders have to find other roles to break into the side, if only for a couple of years. This is likely the case for Campbell and Gulden, who both should become midfielders in the future. I don't think Campbell will spend more than a year or 2 in the back line before being repositioned elsewhere. Rampe, Ling, Cunningham, Dawson and Gould are all long kicks, so it's Jake's job to get the ball to one of these longer kicks to move the ball down field. Lloyd is a good decision maker, which a key to playing his role and what makes him so reliable and effective. I can't see that changing soon.

      I wouldn't be writing off Fox just yet. He had a very good 2020, going past the injured O'Riordan (who is far from being out of the picture either). He has all the tools to be a first rate defender. He's quick, has great endurance, is physical, a strong mark and accurate kick. The package is a little bit less than the parts, but it's still quite good. I think he has the inside edge to stay in the side, but at 28 yo in April, we may opt for developing younger players. I'm sure the selectors are having just as difficult time picking the round 1 team as we are.

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      • Auntie.Gerald
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2009
        • 6483

        Im super intrigued 'how' the fast HBF that breaks the line will adapt to the rule change.
        If Dawson is kicking 60m plus on our backline transition to the wing or a mark down the centre....... where and how will the fast HBF make their impact vs years gone past?

        I would prefer to start with the angry pressure smalls up front ie lock it in and strangle the air out of the opposition, keep the score narrow to start........for me that would mean Wicks or Errol get a start and Hayward out for now.

        Not super looking forward to watching AA kill it at Port Adelaide this season.

        OUT: Sinkers, Hayward and McInerney are my big omissions but you could certainly argue either way for best team now and or best team for end of season and developing the change of the guard.

        Below is my round 3-5 team ie once Bud is back......just like the mesiah up at the Brisbane Bears

        B - Lloyd, Rampe, Fox
        HB - Cunningham, McCartin, Dawson
        C - Florent, Kennedy, Blakey
        HF - Heeney, Reid, Rowbottom
        F - Papley, Buddy, Wicks
        Foll - Hickey, Parker, Mills
        Int: Hewitt, Melican, Errol, Stephens

        Hayward
        Sinkers
        McInerney
        Campbell
        McDonald
        Ling
        Oriordan
        The CHAD
        Clarke
        Bell
        Ronke
        etc all fighting hard no doubt for a spot and we could argue till the cows come home, as all worthy for a spot in the 22 at their best.
        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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        • Ralph Dawg
          Senior Player
          • Apr 2018
          • 1729

          The natural tendency of most match committees at the start of a new year is to give the established players first crack as long as they have been half decent in the off season. Conversely, a newbie will have to have an absolute cracking summer to force their way in.

          By my reckoning, there is only one truely open spot in the team - a small forward to complement Paps with Errol, Belly and Wicksy competing for the spot.

          Errol's 3Q has got him in front but there's still this week's trialto go.

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          • Aprilbr
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2016
            • 1803

            I tend to agree with Auntie Gerald's side. There are several good players left out in it like Haywood or promising ones likes Campbell and McDonald. That's not to say that they won't receive games across the season. We have to remember that rarely is our best side available. Injuries are always a concern. I seem to remember that the years when we won premierships were characterised by unusually good runs with injuries. If our best side is available then we can compete effectively against anybody but with injuries we come right back to the field (especially if Buddy misses a lot of games again).

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            • Markwebbos
              Veterans List
              • Jul 2016
              • 7186

              Does that mean “old” McDonald is more likely to get a game before Buddy is back? Or will they play Reid and Sinkers instead? I did see Logan taking one ruck contest on Saturday

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              • giant
                Veterans List
                • Mar 2005
                • 4731

                Originally posted by Ralph Dawg
                The natural tendency of most match committees at the start of a new year is to give the established players first crack as long as they have been half decent in the off season. Conversely, a newbie will have to have an absolute cracking summer to force their way in.

                By my reckoning, there is only one truely open spot in the team - a small forward to complement Paps with Errol, Belly and Wicksy competing for the spot.

                Errol's 3Q has got him in front but there's still this week's trialto go.
                How was that passage when he laid three tackles, got the loose pill and kicks the ball long to Paps to goal? Almost made me cry. Rampe was pretty damn excited too.

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                • dejavoodoo44
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 8728

                  Originally posted by giant
                  How was that passage when he laid three tackles, got the loose pill and kicks the ball long to Paps to goal? Almost made me cry. Rampe was pretty damn excited too.
                  Yes, that was exhibit A for the case of why he should be in the team.

                  And from watching academy games, I've been hugely impressed by his ability to get to contest after contest. I've seen him do things like: he won a clearance in the defensive pocket and got a hand pass away to a team mate; after the ball was punted to a contest on the wing, he arrived to receive a hand pass and punted the ball to the forward flank; after the ball spent a few seconds in dispute, he gathered the loose ball and snapped a goal.

                  It was remembering things like that, that made feel confident that we got a real draft bargain, when we picked him up earlyish in the second round.

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                  • bloodspirit
                    Clubman
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 4448

                    My best guess at R1 team:

                    Lloyd Melican Rampe
                    Cunningham McCartin Dawson
                    Blakey Mills Stephens
                    Parker Reid Heeney
                    Papley Sinclair Hayward
                    Hickey JPK Florent
                    Hewett Gulden Rowbottom Ling


                    McInerney
                    Campbell
                    Wicks

                    Gulden pushes Wicks out. Buddy to replace Sinclair when he's ready. The emergencies to fight Ling and Gulden and Stephens for their spots (or whoever isn't in form). McDonald can build up in the reserves for a bit. It's a bit conservative but still young and gives best chance of winning. Gives a berth to those with runs on the board and aims to promote continuity rather than chopping and changing from week to week so players can feel secure in having their spot.

                    Will be great watching ECVFL footy this year! This could be the team:

                    COR Brand BOC
                    Gould Fox Carruthers
                    Clarke Sheather McInerney
                    Taylor McDonald Bell
                    P. McCartin McLean Wicks
                    Amartey Warner Campbell

                    Gray Ronke Hebron Silvagni
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                    • Captain
                      Captain of the Side
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3602

                      Agree with your team except Ling. Can't see him getting a game in Round 1.

                      Will be between Fox and Campbell.

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                      • SwanSand
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Aug 2020
                        • 529

                        Originally posted by bloodspirit
                        My best guess at R1 team:

                        Lloyd Melican Rampe
                        Cunningham McCartin Dawson
                        Blakey Mills Stephens
                        Parker Reid Heeney
                        Papley Sinclair Hayward
                        Hickey JPK Florent
                        Hewett Gulden Rowbottom Ling


                        McInerney
                        Campbell
                        Wicks
                        Amongst players who played last year the ones under most pressure would be

                        Cunningham
                        Hayward
                        Wicks
                        Bell
                        Sinclair
                        Reid

                        And the replacements are handy
                        Ling
                        Campbell
                        Gulden
                        Buddy
                        COR
                        McDonald

                        The other three should take notice too
                        Hewett
                        Mcinereney
                        Stephens

                        I reckon the others are assured a spot already unless they have injury concerns

                        Out of the under pressure players 2-3 will miss round 1 and I guess that over the first 5 rounds those many spots that would be up for grabs each round barring injury and same position.

                        I hope they don’t pigeon hole Braeden Campbell into the HBF role. He should be given a chance of small forward too through the year. The combination of Gulden Campbell papley Heeney will be too potent for a forward line with variety.

                        I think Rowbottom has done enough of getting himself a run of 4 rounds this year and then review.

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                        • Ludwig
                          Veterans List
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 9359

                          Fox Sports took a crack at the Round 1 teams: AFL 2021: Round 1 teams, every club best 22, predictions, lineups, injury list, Marlion Pickett, Eddie Betts, Jeremy Cameron

                          The most notable absences would be Hewett and Fox. Will we play 3 key forwards?

                          Probably most interesting is the Hawthorn team. Fox has Tom Scully playing even though he's retired. That's a bad sign for the Hawks. I don't think I'll cry just yet.

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                          • Bloody Hell
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3085

                            Originally posted by SwanSand
                            Amongst players who played last year the ones under most pressure would be

                            Cunningham
                            ...........
                            Cunningham is in the leadership group - no chance he is under pressure.
                            The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                            • Blood Fever
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4051

                              Originally posted by bloodspirit
                              My best guess at R1 team:

                              Lloyd Melican Rampe
                              Cunningham McCartin Dawson
                              Blakey Mills Stephens
                              Parker Reid Heeney
                              Papley Sinclair Hayward
                              Hickey JPK Florent
                              Hewett Gulden Rowbottom Ling


                              McInerney
                              Campbell
                              Wicks

                              Gulden pushes Wicks out. Buddy to replace Sinclair when he's ready. The emergencies to fight Ling and Gulden and Stephens for their spots (or whoever isn't in form). McDonald can build up in the reserves for a bit. It's a bit conservative but still young and gives best chance of winning. Gives a berth to those with runs on the board and aims to promote continuity rather than chopping and changing from week to week so players can feel secure in having their spot.

                              Will be great watching ECVFL footy this year! This could be the team:

                              COR Brand BOC
                              Gould Fox Carruthers
                              Clarke Sheather McInerney
                              Taylor McDonald Bell
                              P. McCartin McLean Wicks
                              Amartey Warner Campbell

                              Gray Ronke Hebron Silvagni
                              McInerney starred when he played late in the season. Provided he's fit, insanity if he's not in Round 1 team.

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                              • Bexl
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 817

                                Originally posted by Captain
                                Agree with your team except Ling. Can't see him getting a game in Round 1.

                                Will be between Fox and Campbell.
                                While I would be happy with Fox or Campbell to play I think Ling will play as he is expected to fill the Nick Smith roll.

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