2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Markwebbos]

I'm actually pretty confused about Carlton's interest in him. They already have Cripps as the centre-piece of their onball brigade. I suspect Cripps makes Hewett look quick (but he's not).

They have Setterfield who I've always seen as a big bodied inside mid, who they couldn't find a spot for in the engine room and so pushed out to a wing (where he didn't really impact).

They couldn't find a spot for Matt Kennedy - another big bodied, slowish mid - until they tried him forward. To his credit, he proved quite effective as a mid-sized forward, and maybe that's where he'll play out his career, but the only reason they tried him there was because there wasn't a spot for him in their midfield.

They have Paddy Dow who also has a bit of size to him and was drafted as a midfielder. He's probably a bit quicker than the likes of Hewett, Cripps, Kennedy but still in a "big bodied" kind of way, yet without the explosiveness of a Petracca, Martin, Dangerfield. They couldn't find a regular spot for him either.

Maybe these players who couldn't find a regular spot just aren't quite good enough. But I suspect it's more that Carlton hasn't found a way to use them properly. The arrival of Voss might change that, but I still reckon they might first try to make the players they currently have (who were all highly touted juniors) create a functional midfield rather than bring in another similar player.

That said, given the Swans seemed to have decided he was expendable, I am glad Hewett has found a place at another club. There are a few of those types on the market this year and not many takers.

The club tried to find a suitor for him last year and failed. This is a win-win.

SOS questioned the need to add him to Carlton’s list. I think the club will be giving a huge sigh of relief the deal did go down given all the changes at Carlton.

I’m hoping we’ve got our eyes on one player in the trade period.

Wonder if we’ll take what we can get for Dawson so we can move on to other targets knowing we have those $$$ to spend?

[mcs]

I believe that Carlton deliberately underspent the cap for a number of years, allowing them to overspend now. That extra 5% works out to around $650k (1.4 George Hewett's or a little less than 1 Adam Cerra). They've so far lost Betts, Casboult and Murphy, but have nine others without contracts, and stand to lose SPP at the very least.

They do seem to splash the cash (and draft picks) on players that aren't worth what they paid for them: McGovern, Saad and Williams spring to mind.

You can't stockpile underspend however forever in a day - there are time limits in which you have to spend it I believe.

[MattW]

The club tried to find a suitor for him last year and failed. This is a win-win.

SOS questioned the need to add him to Carlton’s list. I think the club will be giving a huge sigh of relief the deal did go down given all the changes at Carlton.

I’m hoping we’ve got our eyes on one player in the trade period.

Wonder if we’ll take what we can get for Dawson so we can move on to other targets knowing we have those $$$ to spend?

Good post.

[Ludwig]

I’m hoping we’ve got our eyes on one player in the trade period.

Wonder if we’ll take what we can get for Dawson so we can move on to other targets knowing we have those $$$ to spend?

I don't think the club has that much to spend, and they've already spent a chunk of it on Braedon Campbell's new contract. There will be a trade period next year as well, so no need to panic.

I can't think of any player that is on the market that I would be interested in. Things can change, and often do, once the trade period gets going. But I would stand pat in the player market this year, give the players on our roster a go next year, and try to improve our list through the draft.

[Roadrunner]

I don't think the club has that much to spend, and they've already spent a chunk of it on Braedon Campbell's new contract. There will be a trade period next year as well, so no need to panic.

I can't think of any player that is on the market that I would be interested in. Things can change, and often do, once the trade period gets going. But I would stand pat in the player market this year, give the players on our roster a go next year, and try to improve our list through the draft.

Our main need is for a key defender and don’t know if a suitable candidate is available via the trade, so I agree Ludwig.

We should draft Paddy and also give Gould a few games to see where he’s at- hopefully he will develop!

[Markwebbos]

Our main need is for a key defender and don’t know if a suitable candidate is available via the trade, so I agree Ludwig.

We should draft Paddy and also give Gould a few games to see where he’s at- hopefully he will develop!

If we draft a KPD, based on past experience, they’ll take 2+ years to be ready.

McCartin if we pick him up (and it’s a big if) would solve the problem, but we may not.

What about Talia, Brander, Young etc?

[liz]

and they've already spent a chunk of it on Braedon Campbell's new contract.

I doubt Campbell's contract makes any difference to the equation. It would already have been budgeted for in determining how much was available to offer to the likes of Parker, Dawson et al.

[Nico]

The club tried to find a suitor for him last year and failed. This is a win-win.

SOS questioned the need to add him to Carlton’s list. I think the club will be giving a huge sigh of relief the deal did go down given all the changes at Carlton.

I’m hoping we’ve got our eyes on one player in the trade period.

Wonder if we’ll take what we can get for Dawson so we can move on to other targets knowing we have those $$$ to spend?

I laugh at the SOS remark about Carlton when he was the one who stuffed them up for years. SOS coming across as an expert on Trade Talk. Give me a break.

[Markwebbos]

I laugh at the SOS remark about Carlton when he was the one who stuffed them up for years. SOS coming across as an expert on Trade Talk. Give me a break.

You think he's wrong about Hewett?

[i'm-uninformed2]

I laugh at the SOS remark about Carlton when he was the one who stuffed them up for years. SOS coming across as an expert on Trade Talk. Give me a break.

SOS also failed to gift GWS a flag winning list, which given all the advantages they had, was criminal.

Like most, I’m sad to see such a terrific solider in George go, but get it. And he’ll be good for Carlton. A player that actually works both ways.

Now comes the interesting bit. Do we demand Adelaide go get us a pick in the low teens that we deserve, or do we take pick 23 and something for next year given our potential Academy prospects, and back ourselves to use a combo of 23, 31 and 39 to trade up into the teens. As I reckon a pick there is our ideal to get the best of a mix of KPP players that seems to fall in that 12-30 range.

I’d tend to make it Adelaide’s problem to resolve but of course the club will already know their options from talking to other sides about willingness to trade picks.

[MattW]

George joins the recently mentioned group of ex-players towards whom I have nothing but goodwill:

Carlton FC on Twitter: "Navy Blue suits you, George. ????????… ".

[i'm-uninformed2]

I don't think the club has that much to spend, and they've already spent a chunk of it on Braedon Campbell's new contract. There will be a trade period next year as well, so no need to panic.

I can't think of any player that is on the market that I would be interested in. Things can change, and often do, once the trade period gets going. But I would stand pat in the player market this year, give the players on our roster a go next year, and try to improve our list through the draft.

I suspect the other thing exercising the clubs mind is next year’s contract scenario. The mix of quality players up for renewal is extensive and makes this year look like a picnic. Just of best 22 right now, Heeney, JMac, Rampe if he goes on, Cunningham, Lloyd, Gulden, McDonald, Florent and maybe Fox. And that’s without thinking bout whether Bud decides to go an extra year.

So bringing in a decent talent may happen at some point, but they’ll be very judicious about it and probably target a younger talent that won’t cost a bomb.

[Markwebbos]

SOS also failed to gift GWS a flag winning list, which given all the advantages they had, was criminal.

Like most, I’m sad to see such a terrific solider in George go, but get it. And he’ll be good for Carlton. A player that actually works both ways.

Now comes the interesting bit. Do we demand Adelaide go get us a pick in the low teens that we deserve, or do we take pick 23 and something for next year given our potential Academy prospects, and back ourselves to use a combo of 23, 31 and 39 to trade up into the teens. As I reckon a pick there is our ideal to get the best of a mix of KPP players that seems to fall in that 12-30 range.

I’d tend to make it Adelaide’s problem to resolve but of course the club will already know their options from talking to other sides about willingness to trade picks.

We should make Adelaide solve the problem. But we are very "pragmatic" traders, and there are benefits in not making the deal drag on for the whole trade period. So I can see us doing one of Ludwig's suggestions:

1) Take the Crows 2nd round this year and next. I'm sure we'll try to bundle some up e.g. 23, 31 etc and make a play for pick 17. Leaves us with 12, 17, 39 and two second rounders next year.
2) Take 23, 37 and 44 from the Crows and swap some of them for pick 17. Leaves us with 12, 17, 31 this year.

Gold Coast have a shed load of picks this year 3, 19, 22, 46, 58, 61, 69 and only plan on using two, although they may trade away pick 19 to Norf, otherwise their pick 22 might be gettable

[gloveski]

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[WomblingFree]

We should make Adelaide solve the problem. But we are very "pragmatic" traders, and there are benefits in not making the deal drag on for the whole trade period. So I can see us doing one of Ludwig's suggestions:

1) Take the Crows 2nd round this year and next. I'm sure we'll try to bundle some up e.g. 23, 31 etc and make a play for pick 17. Leaves us with 12, 17, 39 and two second rounders next year.
2) Take 23, 37 and 44 from the Crows and swap some of them for pick 17. Leaves us with 12, 17, 31 this year.

Gold Coast have a shed load of picks this year 3, 19, 22, 46, 58, 61, 69 and only plan on using two, although they may trade away pick 19 to Norf, otherwise their pick 22 might be gettable

The Bulldogs pick 17 will be in high demand but I think we coudl be well placed to make an attractive offer.

So, if Pick 17 is the goal then our next best outcome re trading with Adelaide is to get as many points as possible