2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[gloveski]

Talking about the draft, first, I agree with the strategy that (assuming no further pick trading) we probably will, and probably should, go with is a midfielder with our first pick and a tall with our second. This is partly because midfielders, after KPFs, are good players to spend high(ish) draft picks on. And it is partly because, looking at this year's draft, it seems that most of the KPD candidates are positioned more closely to our second and third picks.

Considering tall key position players, obviously in the extremely unlikely event that Mac Andrew or Josh Gibcus (or maybe even if Jye Amiss less surprisingly) slid to our first pick we could select them. But realistically van Rooyen is the only tall to be around the pick 18 mark at this stage. Whereas there seem to be a number of likely KPD types who could be on the board at pick 31 (Bazzo, Alleer (although Chris Doerre has him at #9 in his phantom form guide), Schlensog etc).

Conversely, with midfielders, there are a number of good options, including Goater. Others include: Sinn, Sonsie, Roberts, Knevitt, or Chesser, or Owens, or Johnson. A few of those are tall mids whose late growth means they might bolt up the boards. The main reason I am slightly doubtful that we will select Goater is that, all other things being equal, we have tended to shun Vic Metro players in recent years - Olly Florent being a significant exception to that tendency.

I really like the look of Darcy Wilmot if we are interested in a small defender (a position some have suggested we need): Darcy Wilmot highlights | 2021 NAB AFL Draft prospect | AFL - YouTube. Sadly, he looks like he might fall between our first and second picks (and also he's a Vic Metro player). I'm going to hope he slides through to our second pick.

I think a great draft for us might be: Roberts, Wilmot and Alleer (although I doubt Alleer will last that long - but that's what would make it great!).

Sinn feels a need and will allow Jmac to play on a wing . Sonsie looks like a safe bet . We should be able to grab someone that all going well should be able to play a few games early next year .
Some of the Vic players are unknown quantities so would expect a few left field picks during the draft . This draft will really sort the good recruiters out


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[Bangalore Swans]

Yes, our third (or potentially even our second) pick. I'm not especially keen to pick him just because he's Chad's brother. Depending on who we take with our first pick, I think we probably need a tall defender with our second.

Apparently the Warner’s school midfield coach rates Corey as more advanced than Chad at the same age.

If Chad is anything to go by then Corey would be a terrific bloke as well.

[AB Swannie]

It might be worth bidding on Bodhi Uwland if he is still on the board at our 3rd pick. He's highly rated on some draft boards e.g. #13 by Chris Doerre aka Knightmare. He is tied to Gold Coast Academy but they have traded out points for matching him. Actually, I'm a bit confused about what the Suns are going to do because they have to take at least 3 at the draft but they've only got one pick. Are they going to trade back in? Are they going to upgrade two rookies?

I’m pretty sure that the Suns can still preselect their academy kids and get them without using a pick. They just magically appear on their list. It means they can draft one player using their only pick and two from their academy for free.

[Bangalore Swans]

Hmmm RB a tagger , fascinating

I wish i made a bet , would 've cleaned up on here

As always your judgment of young Swans players is very astute.

I think most of Red and White (many too proud to admit it) are very excited about Marc Sheather after you tipped him to be a senior regular in the 1st four rounds of 2022.

[TheBloods]

As always your judgment of young Swans players is very astute.

I think most of Red and White (many too proud to admit it) are very excited about Marc Sheather after you tipped him to be a senior regular in the 1st four rounds of 2022.

i was way off about hayward and blakey wasn't i

[The Big Cat]

Not sure why people on this forum are anxious about Wicks re-signing. I am flabbergasted that he got so many games last year. I put him in the same basket as Ben Ronke and The Knack - one hit wonders. Wicks - 5 against the Tigers, Ronk - 7 against the Hawks, The Knack - My Sharona. Personally I’m more anxious to see Sam Reid re-sign. His upside is light years beyond Wicks.

[Bangalore Swans]

Not sure why people on this forum are anxious about Wicks re-signing. I am flabbergasted that he got so many games last year. I put him in the same basket as Ben Ronke and The Knack - one hit wonders. Wicks - 5 against the Tigers, Ronk - 7 against the Hawks, The Knack - My Sharona. Personally I’m more anxious to see Sam Reid re-sign. His upside is light years beyond Wicks.

I’m not saying anything negative about Wicks again. His father is posting on big footy and may check out this forum as well.

Can anyone disclose if they know that a family member or player posts or reads Red and White?

I would never criticise a player if I new the player or a family member were to read my comments.

[gloveski]

Not sure why people on this forum are anxious about Wicks re-signing. I am flabbergasted that he got so many games last year. I put him in the same basket as Ben Ronke and The Knack - one hit wonders. Wicks - 5 against the Tigers, Ronk - 7 against the Hawks, The Knack - My Sharona. Personally I’m more anxious to see Sam Reid re-sign. His upside is light years beyond Wicks.

For one it was 3 goals not 5 but anyway he has a pretty decent upsize in my opinion. Don’t just pigeonhole him as a forward . He will in time run through the midfield. I know it’s not the same standard but he was able to get 40 touches in the NEAFL playing as a midfielder. Reid is past his best , unfortunately his body has let him down .


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[AppleCore]

Hmmm RB a tagger , fascinating

I wish i made a bet , would 've cleaned up on here

23rd September 2021, 02:38 AM #3362
TheBloods
Big statement from the club getting rid of Hewett . They are saying to Chad that they have faith in him to step up to the plate fill the void left by Hewett .

[wolftone57]

Not sure why people on this forum are anxious about Wicks re-signing. I am flabbergasted that he got so many games last year. I put him in the same basket as Ben Ronke and The Knack - one hit wonders. Wicks - 5 against the Tigers, Ronk - 7 against the Hawks, The Knack - My Sharona. Personally I’m more anxious to see Sam Reid re-sign. His upside is light years beyond Wicks.

Reid is finished. He has played 20 games in 2 seasons other forward by and kicked 11 goals and 12 behinds. His goal kicking is terrible. He kicked more OOF than any a long way. He is a very ordinary ruck and he is impacting the contest far less. He also drops dollies. Sorry. Time to move on.

Wicks is very good player and can be extremely dangerous. His pressure is top quality. He is not bad for a Rookie.



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[Ralph Dawg]

It would be unprecedented (at least off the top of my head) but we could do worse than to re-draft Jack Maibaum. Made the VFL team of the year so obviously in good form. But more so, desperately unlucky during his time at the club with injury interrupting his progression, which was actually tracking well. His mum passed away in 2020 so was released from our Covid bubble, otherwise was a strong chance to debut.

[Ralph Dawg]

https://coburgfc.com.au/lions-in-focus-jack-maibaum/

[TheBloods]

23rd September 2021, 02:38 AM #3362
TheBloods
Big statement from the club getting rid of Hewett . They are saying to Chad that they have faith in him to step up to the plate fill the void left by Hewett .

Whats your point i never said Chad would be a tagger

[Melbournehammer]

But back to the footy….I really want a big, ball winning midfielder. So the likes of Ward, Rachelle, Roberts and Sonsie don’t get me excited at all. Horne-Francis and Callaghan will go top 5 while Erasmus and Hobbs look like top 10. But that leaves a few others. I love the look of Goater, then Johnson. Hopefully we can get one those. I see that Draper is tall but “strength” is listed as one of his weaknesses! I love the look of Hobbs. A couple of phantoms have him in the top 6 but then again others have him down at 19. Genuinely strong ball winner. Be very happy with any of these three and think that they should be the priority. Second pick #33 we should pick up a tall.

If you really want a tall ball winning midfielder you'd pick up Ned Long

[Ludwig]

The Replacements - The Mongrel Punt - considers how we cover the losses of Dawson and Hewett.
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I usually like The Mongrel Punt, but I don't like the whole approach used in this analysis. I simply don't agree with the concept of Replacement Theory. There's also a lot of important factors missing from the analysis. One is the assumption that we will continue to play only one key defender in Tom McCartin. There is no consideration of how the team would look with Will Gould. Did they just write him off? And they talk about TMac as a winger as opposed to being a HBF as some kind of revelation. TMac was always meant for the midfield.

TMac, Dawson and Blakey were played in several roles during the year. It's ludicrous to say TMac is Dawson's replacement without going into who would be TMac's replacement.

The idea of Hewett being sent off to make room for Rowbottom is something that's been discussed on here all year. This is not a revelation. And even if one prefers to substitute the name Warner for Rowbottom, it's still conceptually the same, i.e. we got rid of a very solid player in Hewett because we needed to make room for players like Rowbottom and Warner.

The lengthy discussion, along with stats, that we get from TMP is always a good read with many good points, but it's not anything new for regulars on RWO.