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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    I just posted this on another thread.

    Here is a list of the 33 players from the last 9 drafts that are still at the club:

    2012 Cunningham
    2012 Lloyd
    2012 Rampe
    2012 Naismith
    2013 Hewett
    2014 Heeney
    2014 Melican
    2015 Mills
    2015 Dawson
    2015 Papley
    2015 O'Riordan
    2016 Florent
    2016 Hayward
    2016 Ronke
    2016 Fox
    2017 Ling
    2017 McCartin
    2017 Amartey
    2017 Bell
    2018 Blakey
    2018 Rowbottom
    2018 McInerney
    2018 Wicks
    2019 McLean
    2019 Stephens
    2019 Gould
    2019 Warner
    2019 O'Connor
    2020 McDonald
    2020 Campbell
    2020 Gulden
    2020 Carruthers
    2020 Sheather

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    • Mountain Man
      Regular in the Side
      • Feb 2008
      • 907

      Sheather Carruthers and Gould I’Connor are the only one not to have played yet

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      • mcs
        Travelling Swannie!!
        • Jul 2007
        • 8150

        Originally posted by Ludwig
        I just posted this on another thread.

        Here is a list of the 33 players from the last 9 drafts that are still at the club:

        2012 Cunningham
        2012 Lloyd
        2012 Rampe
        2012 Naismith
        2013 Hewett
        2014 Heeney
        2014 Melican
        2015 Mills
        2015 Dawson
        2015 Papley
        2015 O'Riordan
        2016 Florent
        2016 Hayward
        2016 Ronke
        2016 Fox
        2017 Ling
        2017 McCartin
        2017 Amartey
        2017 Bell
        2018 Blakey
        2018 Rowbottom
        2018 McInerney
        2018 Wicks
        2019 McLean
        2019 Stephens
        2019 Gould
        2019 Warner
        2019 O'Connor
        2020 McDonald
        2020 Campbell
        2020 Gulden
        2020 Carruthers
        2020 Sheather
        While some havne't got to the levels we would have hoped, that is a solid period of recruitment to say the least.
        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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        • Aprilbr
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2016
          • 1803

          Here is my list of duds since 2012 that we drafted but who played little or no senior football. I have not included rookies in it as these are always speculative picks. I also did not include those who left for other clubs.

          2012

          Harrison Marsh

          Matthew Dick

          2013

          None

          2014

          James Rose

          Jack Hiscox

          Abaina Davis

          2015

          Tyrone Leonardis

          2016

          Jack Maibaum

          2017

          Ryley Stoddart

          2018

          Zac Foote

          2019

          Elijah Taylor

          2020

          None

          So I guess the lesson is that on average we draft one per year who does not make it. 2014 was an especially bad year. 2013 and 2020 were exceptional.

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          • bloodspirit
            Clubman
            • Apr 2015
            • 4448

            This one is for Ludwig: make of it what you will: The top Blues draftee who Richmond would never have taken.
            All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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            • DeadlyAkkuret
              Veterans List
              • Oct 2006
              • 4547

              Did we really need an entire article potting a 21 year old who has no choice with where he’s picked?


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              • barracuda
                Regular in the Side
                • Jun 2016
                • 551

                Originally posted by Aprilbr
                Here is my list of duds since 2012 that we drafted but who played little or no senior football. I have not included rookies in it as these are always speculative picks. I also did not include those who left for other clubs.

                2012

                Harrison Marsh

                Matthew Dick

                2013

                None

                2014

                James Rose

                Jack Hiscox

                Abaina Davis

                2015

                Tyrone Leonardis

                2016

                Jack Maibaum

                2017

                Ryley Stoddart

                2018

                Zac Foote

                2019

                Elijah Taylor

                2020

                None

                So I guess the lesson is that on average we draft one per year who does not make it. 2014 was an especially bad year. 2013 and 2020 were exceptional.
                I still think Zac Foote was stiff. He would have suited the current game style perfectly.

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                • Blood Fever
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 4041

                  Originally posted by barracuda
                  I still think Zac Foote was stiff. He would have suited the current game style perfectly.
                  Marsh played some good footy for us in 2016 including finals

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                  • MattW
                    Veterans List
                    • May 2011
                    • 4197

                    Originally posted by barracuda
                    I still think Zac Foote was stiff. He would have suited the current game style perfectly.
                    Rare disagree from me. He would be behind Hayward, if not Ronke as well.

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                    • liz
                      Veteran
                      Site Admin
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 16744

                      Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                      Did we really need an entire article potting a 21 year old who has no choice with where he’s picked?


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                      Absolutely agree. I am surprised that Leppitsch - who has been a senior coach and should understand the pressures on young draftees - would feel the need to make his point by naming a specific player. And in a way that pots the player, rather than just highlights different styles and different clubs.

                      And SEN really didn't need to make an article about it. There are hours of dribble broadcast over the course of every day, and they certainly don't turn most of it into articles on their website.

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                      • Nico
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 11332

                        Originally posted by MattW
                        Rare disagree from me. He would be behind Hayward, if not Ronke as well.
                        I go along with Barra. Both Hayward and Ronke don't suit our current style. Neither have the tank to keep up let alone compliment the team.
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                        • liz
                          Veteran
                          Site Admin
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16744

                          Originally posted by Nico
                          I go along with Barra. Both Hayward and Ronke don't suit our current style. Neither have the tank to keep up let alone compliment the team.
                          I think Hayward's endurance is pretty good. When moved to the half-back line last year he was able to contribute strongly. I also think he is more than capable of producing good football in a coherent forward line, as we currently seem to have, especially with the ball arriving quickly. However, we're only allowed 22 in the team and 18 on the ground at any time, so he'll have to dislodge Wicks or Heeney to get a chance in the immediate future.

                          Ben Ronke can clearly play but it doesn't seem as if his body has - or has been able to develop - the durability required. Even towards the end of the season that he broke through for his debut, he was carrying an injury. And I'm not sure he's been free of injury for more than a few weeks since then.

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            I would not be surprised if Hayward makes his way into our side in the coming weeks due to injuries or good form in the reserves. This missing out might just be the thing to motivate him to work harder to secure a senior spot. He has undoubted talent but has been inconsistent and under-performing. He has pace and skill and is too good to play reserves for too long.

                            Turning to Ronke, I don't think he is good enough and is staring down de-listing. I'm not sure on his contract situation though.

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                            • Ludwig
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 9359

                              Originally posted by bloodspirit
                              This one is for Ludwig: make of it what you will: The top Blues draftee who Richmond would never have taken.
                              A lot of pundits had O'Brien linked to the Swans . We won't know, because he was gone before our 1st pick can up. Our list management team do a pretty good job of screening the draftees for attitude and competitiveness. Not many bad ones slip through of late, although ET would be one of them. Even aside from his off field issues, he wasn't putting in the physical efforts required to be an AFL player, despite his high skill level. I think we will be even more careful in the future.

                              Rowbottom and Warner are a couple of players we targeted and traded up for. It exemplifies what we look for when drafting a player.

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                              • barracuda
                                Regular in the Side
                                • Jun 2016
                                • 551

                                Originally posted by liz
                                I think Hayward's endurance is pretty good. When moved to the half-back line last year he was able to contribute strongly. I also think he is more than capable of producing good football in a coherent forward line, as we currently seem to have, especially with the ball arriving quickly. However, we're only allowed 22 in the team and 18 on the ground at any time, so he'll have to dislodge Wicks or Heeney to get a chance in the immediate future.

                                Ben Ronke can clearly play but it doesn't seem as if his body has - or has been able to develop - the durability required. Even towards the end of the season that he broke through for his debut, he was carrying an injury. And I'm not sure he's been free of injury for more than a few weeks since then.
                                You raise a really good question. Hayward and Ronke have only recently played in developing swans teams, often with lots of injuries. How would they go in an injury free strong swans team? We often criticize them for poor disposal etc but is that because they have poor skills, or because they have been under pressure in a poor team? Hayward, based on the last couple of years seems to have a pretty low ceiling, maybe 15 touches and a goal a game. But would this be the case in the current team? Hayward also has a long history of missing sets shots and poor disposal. Again would that change?

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