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  • Meg
    Go Swannies!
    Site Admin
    • Aug 2011
    • 4828

    Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
    Silly combative comment Meg - caj23 clearly said "last few years" which would predate the pandemic a bit.

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    Amen to that.
    Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
    Silly combative comment Meg - caj23 clearly said "last few years" which would predate the pandemic a bit.

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    Amen to that.
    I responded to a comment by stevoswan about loss of Aliir. Which happened end last season after pandemic and subsequent salary cap cut announcement.

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6483

      "hay-SOOS". how did i get dragged into this BS ? I havent been keen to argue our trajectory of late because for me its much more 50/50. So let's enjoy it despite my grumbles pre the draft.

      geeeese........i dont pour lemon juice in my eyes for kicks

      I savour the joy of life and the wins too

      I rarely kick players when they are down...........and I enjoy watching players nurture their skills and game craft bit by bit over time.......im patient with that pathway

      BUT........Yes I was frustrated............frustrated that we were not more pointed with our allocation of sal cap.........I felt the likes of Thurlow, Gray, Brand, Taylor, Menzel, Clarke etc were an opportunity cost vs say two smart picks that cost a little more but we out bid the clubs they were at due to opportunity or the cycle that club was in........ie the money on the above 6 players could have gone to two or three stronger players. Not elite but players like a Nathan Broad at the Tigers or a Jack Ross at the Tigers who may feature now and beyond.

      For me it is not conclusive yet that our top picks Errol, Campbell, Gould and Stephens will be game winners on a consistent basis vs other young talent in the competition.............but I like the way they are going about their development and I really enjoyed the style of footy we adopted in the first few games.

      And that win against the Cats ........that controlled the game statistically everywhere but the scoreboard............well that was an outlier.............but as Bruce saids "that was special"
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • TheBloods
        Suspended by the MRP
        • Feb 2020
        • 2047

        Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
        "hay-SOOS". how did i get dragged into this BS ? I havent been keen to argue our trajectory of late because for me its much more 50/50. So let's enjoy it despite my grumbles pre the draft.

        geeeese........i dont pour lemon juice in my eyes for kicks

        I savour the joy of life and the wins too

        I rarely kick players when they are down...........and I enjoy watching players nurture their skills and game craft bit by bit over time.......im patient with that pathway

        BUT........Yes I was frustrated............frustrated that we were not more pointed with our allocation of sal cap.........I felt the likes of Thurlow, Gray, Brand, Taylor, Menzel, Clarke etc were an opportunity cost vs say two smart picks that cost a little more but we out bid the clubs they were at due to opportunity or the cycle that club was in........ie the money on the above 6 players could have gone to two or three stronger players. Not elite but players like a Nathan Broad at the Tigers or a Jack Ross at the Tigers who may feature now and beyond.

        For me it is not conclusive yet that our top picks Errol, Campbell, Gould and Stephens will be game winners on a consistent basis vs other young talent in the competition.............but I like the way they are going about their development and I really enjoyed the style of footy we adopted in the first few games.

        And that win against the Cats ........that controlled the game statistically everywhere but the scoreboard............well that was an outlier.............but as Bruce saids "that was special"
        Sorry but Errol gulden will be a matchwinner. He has elite written all over him.

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        • Ruck'n'Roll
          Ego alta, ergo ictus
          • Nov 2003
          • 3990

          Originally posted by Meg
          I responded to a comment by stevoswan about loss of Aliir. Which happened end last season after pandemic and subsequent salary cap cut announcement.
          My error - Apologies Meg

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          • Aprilbr
            Senior Player
            • Oct 2016
            • 1803

            Originally posted by TheBloods
            Sorry but Errol gulden will be a matchwinner. He has elite written all over him.
            For once, I totally agree with TheBloods.

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            • Meg
              Go Swannies!
              Site Admin
              • Aug 2011
              • 4828

              Originally posted by Ruck'n'Roll
              My error - Apologies Meg
              No worries.

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              • bloodspirit
                Clubman
                • Apr 2015
                • 4448

                One person's point of view: ‘It hasn’t worked’: Eagles urged to learn from Hawks trade fails (foxsports.com.au).
                All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                • Auntie.Gerald
                  Veterans List
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 6483

                  BTW
                  Chad Warners goal was special on the wknd but his immediate backing up and winning the centre bounce contest like a seasoned player for me was even a greater indication of the kids potential.
                  Backing up and making two big impacts in row............wish he signed to 2024 with Blakey and Rowie as well..........but ill take 2023 as this kid appears to be our next Luke Parker
                  "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                  • aardvark
                    Veterans List
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5685

                    Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                    BTW Chad Warners goal was special on the wknd
                    Highlight of the game for me. It was "dustyesque". Breathtakingly good!

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                    • TheBloods
                      Suspended by the MRP
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 2047

                      Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                      BTW
                      Chad Warners goal was special on the wknd but his immediate backing up and winning the centre bounce contest like a seasoned player for me was even a greater indication of the kids potential.
                      Backing up and making two big impacts in row............wish he signed to 2024 with Blakey and Rowie as well..........but ill take 2023 as this kid appears to be our next Luke Parker
                      Parker is an out and out star of the game but bookmark me on this - we can dream even bigger with The Chad. He is the total package and everything you could want in a superstar - explosive leg speed, penetrating kick of the ball, awesome goal sense, total hard nut. Kind of talent you build a dynasty around if we are fortunate enough.

                      Dunno if he will get to Dusty level but its not a matter of if Chad becomes a top 5 player in the comp, but when and how long he can hold that status for.

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                      • bloodspirit
                        Clubman
                        • Apr 2015
                        • 4448

                        Could be relevant for mid-season draft: See the squads: Why AFL scouts will keep a sharp eye on Colgate Young Guns U23 Game. I don't know much about these names except Ned Moyle's name keeps cropping up as a young ruck prospect.
                        All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others. -Douglas Adams, author (11 Mar 1952-2001)

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                        • cherub
                          Warming the Bench
                          • May 2010
                          • 239

                          Originally posted by bloodspirit
                          Could be relevant for mid-season draft: See the squads: Why AFL scouts will keep a sharp eye on Colgate Young Guns U23 Game. I don't know much about these names except Ned Moyle's name keeps cropping up as a young ruck prospect.
                          Same great names. I assume Dylan Thomas won't go gently into this good night, and nice to see Ryan O'Keefe reborn!

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                          • Aprilbr
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2016
                            • 1803

                            Now that Collingwood has lost their List Manager, I would not be surprised if they make a big money play for Kinnear Beatson. I believe that he is under contract so hopefully we will be ok.

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                            • SwanSand
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Aug 2020
                              • 529

                              Originally posted by Aprilbr
                              Now that Collingwood has lost their List Manager, I would not be surprised if they make a big money play for Kinnear Beatson. I believe that he is under contract so hopefully we will be ok.
                              They may make a beeline for Ross Lyon, Paul Roos or Stephen Silvagni. I doubt anyone else would want to take up the job. There is too much fighting in the Board.

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                              • Aprilbr
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2016
                                • 1803

                                I'm not sure about any of those first two guys as List Managers? Coaches or Football Managers maybe? I'm not sure that SOS covered himself in glory as a List Manager at GWS or Carlton?

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