2021 trading, drafting and list management: players and personnel

[Bangalore Swans]

Mark Maclue one of the preeminent Victorian football personalities was recruited from East Sydney.

[Aprilbr]

An interesting perspective on the JD trade situation by a Herald-Sun journalist around an hour ago. This was in response to the query as to whether Adelaide are being fair:

"Most people I've spoken to and heard talk on this reckon that Adelaide's been pretty reasonable. They want to get a deal done, Swans playing hardball. But Dawson's out of contract and the Crows have the option of getting him through the pre-season draft, so Adelaide has the power here and the Swans need to be careful they get something decent for a player who finished third in their b&f. Melbourne's future 1st would be a good result. Who knows? Melbourne might slide and that becomes a top-15 pick."

[Markwebbos]

An interesting perspective on the JD trade situation by a Herald-Sun journalist around an hour ago. This was in response to the query as to whether Adelaide are being fair:

"Most people I've spoken to and heard talk on this reckon that Adelaide's been pretty reasonable. They want to get a deal done, Swans playing hardball. But Dawson's out of contract and the Crows have the option of getting him through the pre-season draft, so Adelaide has the power here and the Swans need to be careful they get something decent for a player who finished third in their b&f. Melbourne's future 1st would be a good result. Who knows? Melbourne might slide and that becomes a top-15 pick."

That was the consensus on trade radio too. However on the Age page they’ve got a poll where currently 62% think he’s worth pick 15 or higher.

If anyone would care to vote it’s on today’s trade page on Fairfax.

And no one has effectively countered the Cerra comparison.

I think we’ll try and squeeze pick 33 or a future third out of them.

We can always fold. I wonder if we are dragging it out to make JD sweat?

[Roadrunner]

An interesting perspective on the JD trade situation by a Herald-Sun journalist around an hour ago. This was in response to the query as to whether Adelaide are being fair:

"Most people I've spoken to and heard talk on this reckon that Adelaide's been pretty reasonable. They want to get a deal done, Swans playing hardball. But Dawson's out of contract and the Crows have the option of getting him through the pre-season draft, so Adelaide has the power here and the Swans need to be careful they get something decent for a player who finished third in their b&f. Melbourne's future 1st would be a good result. Who knows? Melbourne might slide and that becomes a top-15 pick."

We will get this done. No point in receiving nothing in return- and we should get Ladhams for the following reasons:

* we were after him last year, so the club obviously rates him
* he wants to come to us
* he is 23: so significant upside
* tall and mobile so possible Key Defender as well as 2nd ruck
* Gives McLean and Amartey more time to develop
* Port may pick up a chunk of his salary
If we end up losing Jordan and gaining Ladhams without giving too much away, then that is a decent outcome in the circumstances IMO.

[Bangalore Swans]

We will get this done. No point in receiving nothing in return- and we should get Ladhams for the following reasons:

* we were after him last year, so the club obviously rates him
* he wants to come to us
* he is 23: so significant upside
* tall and mobile so possible Key Defender as well as 2nd ruck
* Gives McLean and Amartey more time to develop
* Port may pick up a chunk of his salary
If we end up losing Jordan and gaining Ladhams without giving too much away, then that is a decent outcome in the circumstances IMO.

Is it a risk to bring Ladhams to Sydney? He’s a South Australian and may want to go back home soon after joining.

[111431]

An interesting perspective on the JD trade situation by a Herald-Sun journalist around an hour ago. This was in response to the query as to whether Adelaide are being fair:

"Most people I've spoken to and heard talk on this reckon that Adelaide's been pretty reasonable. They want to get a deal done, Swans playing hardball. But Dawson's out of contract and the Crows have the option of getting him through the pre-season draft, so Adelaide has the power here and the Swans need to be careful they get something decent for a player who finished third in their b&f. Melbourne's future 1st would be a good result. Who knows? Melbourne might slide and that becomes a top-15 pick."

What a deep thinking journo!

[mcs]

An interesting perspective on the JD trade situation by a Herald-Sun journalist around an hour ago. This was in response to the query as to whether Adelaide are being fair:

"Most people I've spoken to and heard talk on this reckon that Adelaide's been pretty reasonable. They want to get a deal done, Swans playing hardball. But Dawson's out of contract and the Crows have the option of getting him through the pre-season draft, so Adelaide has the power here and the Swans need to be careful they get something decent for a player who finished third in their b&f. Melbourne's future 1st would be a good result. Who knows? Melbourne might slide and that becomes a top-15 pick."

Always have to caution anything coming out of any of those Melbourne 'group speak' sorts of areas - so many people commentating on matters truly have no idea about what they are talking about.

Melbourne's future first would be almost a par result really - Adelaide still getting a bargain. But until the AFL gets serious and removes the PSD rort, then these situations always are so heavily weighed towards the pursuing club that things won't change.

Is it fair value for him - absolutely not. Have Adelaide been reasonable throughout this - maybe, maybe not. I think they have made more then a few moves that have led to people questioning the genuineness of their motives and actual willingness to negotiate.

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We will get this done. No point in receiving nothing in return- and we should get Ladhams for the following reasons:

* we were after him last year, so the club obviously rates him
* he wants to come to us
* he is 23: so significant upside
* tall and mobile so possible Key Defender as well as 2nd ruck
* Gives McLean and Amartey more time to develop
* Port may pick up a chunk of his salary
If we end up losing Jordan and gaining Ladhams without giving too much away, then that is a decent outcome in the circumstances IMO.

I will be astounded if we have to give up anything more than a 2nd rounder for him. If we do, we have been ripped off.

It will be interesting to see how he goes - I'm not convinced at all, but he is still young and there is potential flexibility in the role he can play. But it does sound like he wants a crack at being a ruck first and foremost - which we will be able to offer in the short to medium term (as good as Hickey was this year, he is closer to the end then the start of his career, and we will need to actively manage his workload going forward).

[Markwebbos]

Adelaide has told Sydney it will not improve upon its offer of Melbourne’s future first-rounder for wingman Jordan Dawson as the two clubs remain locked in a game of trade bluff.

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Article says that the Crows are "negotiating in good faith" I don't see how that can be. They have not budget an inch over the previous 8 and a bit days, they traded away pick 17, and they also attempted to trade away the pick(s) they had offered us for pick 1.

Article also says Port want us to give a first rounder and get a third back for Ladhams. They can p1ss off

[giant]

What a deep thinking journo!

Spectacular insight. Like being plugged into the dumber portions of BigFooty.

[waswan]

Melb pick is not fair value. i never rate picks above established players. Evenpick 1 last year only played 6 or so games.

However, if he was a FA,end of 1st round is the best we could expect, so Melb pick is better

I suspect the hold out is more about trying to convince him to stay as opposed to wanting more

[giant]

We will get this done. No point in receiving nothing in return- and we should get Ladhams for the following reasons:

* we were after him last year, so the club obviously rates him
* he wants to come to us
* he is 23: so significant upside
* tall and mobile so possible Key Defender as well as 2nd ruck
* Gives McLean and Amartey more time to develop
* Port may pick up a chunk of his salary
If we end up losing Jordan and gaining Ladhams without giving too much away, then that is a decent outcome in the circumstances IMO.

Maybe, but OTOH:
- we've since got Hickey who looks like our #1 ruck for the next couple of years
- PL didn't want to come last year - what's changed?
- has never played defence to the best of my knowledge
- Likely delays development of McLean & Amartey
- If Port are prepared to trade AND pay some of his salary, what does that tell us about their desperation to move on a young tall that was in their finals team a few weeks back?

All seems kinda odd to me.

[Roadrunner]

Always have to caution anything coming out of any of those Melbourne 'group speak' sorts of areas - so many people commentating on matters truly have no idea about what they are talking about.

Melbourne's future first would be almost a par result really - Adelaide still getting a bargain. But until the AFL gets serious and removes the PSD rort, then these situations always are so heavily weighed towards the pursuing club that things won't change.

Is it fair value for him - absolutely not. Have Adelaide been reasonable throughout this - maybe, maybe not. I think they have made more then a few moves that have led to people questioning the genuineness of their motives and actual willingness to negotiate.

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I will be astounded if we have to give up anything more than a 2nd rounder for him. If we do, we have been ripped off.

It will be interesting to see how he goes - I'm not convinced at all, but he is still young and there is potential flexibility in the role he can play. But it does sound like he wants a crack at being a ruck first and foremost - which we will be able to offer in the short to medium term (as good as Hickey was this year, he is closer to the end then the start of his career, and we will need to actively manage his workload going forward).

Agreed mcs- I was just thinking if we need to throw in an additional late pick as a sweetener. Nothing substantial but I do think he could be useful for us, despite Bangalore’s “ go home factor” post!????

[Markwebbos]

Maybe, but OTOH:
- we've since got Hickey who looks like our #1 ruck for the next couple of years
- PL didn't want to come last year - what's changed?
- has never played defence to the best of my knowledge
- Likely delays development of McLean & Amartey
- If Port are prepared to trade AND pay some of his salary, what does that tell us about their desperation to move on a young tall that was in their finals team a few weeks back?

All seems kinda odd to me.

I think it was Port who refused to trade him rather than PL didn't want to come last year. I don't think he'd play in defence but in the ruck, but that might allow us to train another player (e.g. Amartey Partey) to play there. I agree it could delay development of Amartey (unless we move him elsewhere) not sure about McLean as he's not a ruck. I think Port were prepared to pay some $$ to increase his trade value. I don't understand why they still think they can get a first rounder for him if we are picking up the full $400k.

I can see us walking away from this as it stands. Pick 31 yes, anything higher, less likely.

[KTigers]

"Negotiating in good faith", I always love that old chestnut. Has anyone ever claimed that they are doing anything else? It's often
accompanied by a speech about how "fair" their offer is. Just once it'd be nice to hear someone say, "I'm just trying to screw you,
because I ****ing well can". I won't be holding my breath.

[Roadrunner]

"Negotiating in good faith", I always love that old chestnut. Has anyone ever claimed that they are doing anything else? It's often
accompanied by a speech about how "fair" their offer is. Just once it'd be nice to hear someone say, "I'm just trying to screw you,
because I ****ing well can". I won't be holding my breath.

Agreed 100% K Tigers- no-one is being honest with their horse trading, but Dodo wins the chocolates here. By the look of things, the 2 SA clubs are not far behind!

Still think if we end up with PL and even though we stand to lose JD for sweet you know what, I’ll be reasonably happy as I can’t see how we can do better given the cards we hold. Let’s hope if we do get him, PL turns out to be above average value- that would be our consolation after losing such a beautiful left peg.