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  • bloodspirit
    Clubman
    • Apr 2015
    • 4448

    #46
    Nice article from Josh Dunkley a couple of weeks ago: AFL Josh Dunkley Western Bulldogs - 'I hit rock bottom' after fan told me to jump off West Gate Bridge after Sydney Swans loss in 2018 (espn.com).
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    • chalbilto
      Senior Player
      • Oct 2007
      • 1139

      #47
      At half time when Jason McCartney gave his tirade to the umpires,it was reported that the free kick count was 12 - 4 in favor of the Western Bulldogs, but at full time the count was 16 - 15 Bulldogss way, viz; 11- 4 in favor of GWS. As it turned out the free kick count didn't affect the result and whilst I try not to place much credence on the count of frees received the cynic in me finds it rather odd with the turn around of frees given and received from the first and second halves. Is it coincidental that following the tirade that the umps found the Bulldogs infringing in the second half.
      I am not inferring that the umpires were biased and that GWS lost because of umpire decisions. As we experienced in 2016 grand final, a lot of decisions didn't go our way, but what irks me most with umpiring, are not the frees given (for in the majority they are correct) but the inconsistency with rulings and the non paying of obvious free kicks. The Swans supporter in me has felt very aggrieved with the odd calls that have gone against us, but not as much as the ones that aren't paid. Hopefully this umpiring inconsistency will improve particularly when we play the Bulldogs and West Coast in Perth.

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      • barry
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 8499

        #48
        It's just proves that the umpires have a natural bias, probably not intentional, but definitely there.


        On another note, why the love for Nathan Buckley as a coach. He's had a job for 10 years at the richest club and won nothing. The statistical odds of him wining a flag, with any team, is near zero.
        He just not a premiership level coach.

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        • Markwebbos
          Veterans List
          • Jul 2016
          • 7186

          #49
          Originally posted by barry
          It's just proves that the umpires have a natural bias, probably not intentional, but definitely there.


          On another note, why the love for Nathan Buckley as a coach. He's had a job for 10 years at the richest club and won nothing. The statistical odds of him wining a flag, with any team, is near zero.
          He just not a premiership level coach.
          Matt Rendell gave Bucks a massive whack today on SEN

          Why Matt Rendell "can't see" Nathan Buckley coaching Collingwood next year

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #50
            Originally posted by rb4x
            I think the Swans should do the right thing and help out Collingwood. We can trade our second and third round picks to them which would give them the points for Daicos. We in return would relieve them of the ....
            Some club is going to get a bargain out of Collingwood this trade period as they chase draft points for daicos.

            Might as well be us.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #51
              Originally posted by barry
              It's just proves that the umpires have a natural bias, probably not intentional, but definitely there.


              On another note, why the love for Nathan Buckley as a coach. He's had a job for 10 years at the richest club and won nothing. The statistical odds of him wining a flag, with any team, is near zero.

              He just not a premiership level coach
              .
              Are you saying that 1 in 18 is near zero? Or do you mean that he's such a bad coach that the chance of him winning a premiership is near zero?

              You have to admit that Bucks has come pretty close, in fact, just 1 very good kick by Dom Sheed from winning a premiership.

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              • rb4x
                Regular in the Side
                • Dec 2007
                • 969

                #52
                Originally posted by barry
                Some club is going to get a bargain out of Collingwood this trade period as they chase draft points for daicos.

                Might as well be us.
                It is amazing that Collingwood have traded out Treloar, Stephenson, Phillips, Bosenavulagi and their 2021 first and second round selections plus are paying $300k of Treloar's contract and yet are still unlikely to have enough draft points for Daicos without going into deficit for 2022 or unloading yet more players. Grundy, Moore, De Goey, Pendlebury and Adams and especially Cox must be way overpaid. Cox can not even make their team ahead of Darcy Cameron who we gave them for peanuts.

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                • Markwebbos
                  Veterans List
                  • Jul 2016
                  • 7186

                  #53
                  They should sack the president

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                  • barry
                    Veterans List
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 8499

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    Are you saying that 1 in 18 is near zero? Or do you mean that he's such a bad coach that the chance of him winning a premiership is near zero?

                    You have to admit that Bucks has come pretty close, in fact, just 1 very good kick by Dom Sheed from winning a premiership.
                    He came "close", but he's from the richest club, playing the grand final at their home ground, and raiding the giants best up and coming players. With all the advantages, he should win a flag in 10 years.
                    He hasnt.

                    He's like a poor mans like Ross Lyon. He managed 12 years, 2 grand finals. But ultimately no chop. Ross coach severely disadvantaged clubs compared to collingwood.

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                    • barry
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 8499

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Markwebbos
                      They should sack the president
                      They did. But he still thinks he's running the show down there.

                      I think the post Eddie/Bucks era will be a lot like the post-Sheedy era at the bombers. They had to cut ties to move forward, but there will be a few bad years ahead, as various actors try to enter the power vacuum.

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                      • Mel_C
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4470

                        #56
                        I don't understand the issue with Port Adelaide wanting to be able to wear the prison bar guernsey once a year. Yes it has black and white stripes but it looks nothing like the Collingwood guernsey.

                        I saw some footage from Footy Classified where Kane Cornes showed a document that was signed by Eddie stating that Port Adelaide could wear the guernsey once a year during "heritage" round. There is no longer a heritage round so they can no longer wear it. Eddie said he had knowledge that the heritage round was going to he abolished. So basically he only signed the document because he knew it was going to be a temporary agreement. How come he had insider knowledge but Port Adelaide didn't? This looks very suss.

                        David Koch was asked why don't they just wear the guernsey and he said that the AFL told him they would lose premiership points! He wasn't happy with the favourable bias towards Victorian teams and said it's the AFL not the VFL.

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                        • barry
                          Veterans List
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 8499

                          #57
                          We have enough jumper clashes already. Only one black and white stripes is enough

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                          • Meg
                            Go Swannies!
                            Site Admin
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 4828

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Mel_C
                            I don't understand the issue with Port Adelaide wanting to be able to wear the prison bar guernsey once a year. Yes it has black and white stripes but it looks nothing like the Collingwood guernsey.
                            I totally agree.

                            The prison bar guernsey is a part of Port Adelaide’s long history as a club, a history of which long-time Port fans are very proud. As also shown by the quite emotional ‘Never tear us apart’ rendition before home matches.

                            What possible reason (other than sheer pigheadedness) can the AFL have for not allowing Port to wear the guernsey once a year in the Showdown, when there is no hint of a guernsey clash?

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                            • Blood Fever
                              Veterans List
                              • Apr 2007
                              • 4051

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Meg
                              I totally agree.

                              The prison bar guernsey is a part of Port Adelaide’s long history as a club, a history of which long-time Port fans are very proud. As also shown by the quite emotional ‘Never tear us apart’ rendition before home matches.

                              What possible reason (other than sheer pigheadedness) can the AFL have for not allowing Port to wear the guernsey once a year in the Showdown, when there is no hint of a guernsey clash?
                              Embarrassing Victorian bias. Laughing stock of a national competition

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                              • goswannies
                                Senior Player
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 3052

                                #60
                                Originally posted by barry
                                We have enough jumper clashes already. Only one black and white stripes is enough
                                It only a clash if used when Port play Collingwood. Port should be able to wear it whenever they want otherwise. I personally love clubs acknowledging their heritage and I lament that many younger fans have stuff all knowledge of their clubs beyond the past decade. Collingwood and their former President have a far too high opinion of themselves. It’s not an anti-Victorian thing. It’s an anti-Collingwood thing

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